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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • J [email protected]

    also because it's shit, if my memory serves me, I have successfully used AI for a productive task 1 time out of 7 attempts so far... it saved me 5 minutes

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    That is part of the trust thing. I spent more time fixing the word salad it spat out than it would have taken to write the document.

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      I don't use A.I. because I've had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, "art," that looks like shit hasn't made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn't a moral stance, it's just that the product isn't worth paying for. Stop framing people that don't use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn't good yet.

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        That is part of the trust thing. I spent more time fixing the word salad it spat out than it would have taken to write the document.

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        Yes, hand in hand...

        Anecdotal of course, but every person I know who claims AI is a huge productivity booster simply trust it blindly.

        I can't even get "Copilot" to return a proper answer from its own meeting transcript... just yesterday there was some confusion about an IP address we exchanged in a past meeting... I asked Copilot to check the transcript and give me the IP of the vendor's server (which I pointed by name of system and who spoke it in the meeting) and it gave me the IP of MY server, functionally the complete opposite of what I was asking but with full confidence in its answer

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        • W [email protected]

          Its an urban planning and transport issue essentially. Medium density housing (think 4-6 story blocks) allows enough people to live in an area that it becomes feasible to have trams/light rail serving that area.

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          Good to know, I'll go ask one if the profs in our school of built environment for more info. See if they can offer more insight there.

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          • corkyskog@sh.itjust.worksC [email protected]

            Sounds like you are not eating enough small rocks a day. You should eat 1 small rock a day.

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            Wtf this is the weirdest thing to read while taking a shit in the morning

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            • kinther@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

              Wtf this is the weirdest thing to read while taking a shit in the morning

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              This was an actual response that Google's stupid Gemini LLM really gave somebody. The notion was lifted from a satirical Onion article which the LLM regurgitated as if it was an established fact.

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                I refuse ever touching an AI-driven app or feature, having seen too much slop.

                I'd rather call myself a rejectionist than something called fancy.

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                  Count me in

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                    I refuse ever touching an AI-driven app or feature, having seen too much slop.

                    I'd rather call myself a rejectionist than something called fancy.

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                    I've interacted with AI. Once.

                    My employer enabled it on my laptop. It introduced itself to me and asked how it could be helpful. I asked it how to disable it. It responded HAL style.

                    Never reached out to it again.

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                    • C [email protected]

                      MBA dweebs running VC firms wanna desperately replace people with AI for short term profits.

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                      This is it.

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                      • pjwestin@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                        I don't use A.I. because I've had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, "art," that looks like shit hasn't made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn't a moral stance, it's just that the product isn't worth paying for. Stop framing people that don't use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn't good yet.

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                        It's fair to say that the environmental and ethical concerns are significant and I wouldn't look down in anyone refusing to use AI for those reasons. I don't look down on vegetarians or vegans either - I don't have to agree with someone's moral stance or choices to respect them.

                        But you're right, LLMs are full of crap.

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                          If we go this route, there is also from for AI Crossfitters

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                            Search sucks and the AI is faster for tech questions. Try searching a Linux cli question or obscure error. Lots of stuff from over a decade ago that are no longer relevant. And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.

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                            And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.

                            Uhhh, type in AI, wait a minute and get an answer. How are you checking it? rm - f / isn't the only filesystem footgun.

                            I'm finding AI to be right roughly only 60% of the time, and it's as bad and hallucinatory about shell scripts as it is about everything else.

                            It will happily admit its mistakes and give you another answer when you call it out, but it's no more likely to be right that time.

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                              The irony of environmental activists using the word "veganism" while not being vegan ๐Ÿ˜’ (being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice)

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                              • pjwestin@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                I don't use A.I. because I've had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, "art," that looks like shit hasn't made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn't a moral stance, it's just that the product isn't worth paying for. Stop framing people that don't use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn't good yet.

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                                For most people, this isnโ€™t a moral stance, itโ€™s just that the product isnโ€™t worth paying for.

                                Wait till you see the price of a burger in another five years.

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                                  I hate this attitude from people who donโ€™t even try things before saying they are not missing out. Try AI! You have to experience the head bashing, head scratching time sink, after which you do a manual search anyways. It is a marvellous wonder how bad modern "cutting edge" tech can be.

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                                  They may have come to this decision through experience.

                                  Having used it a bit, I find it's like someone a bit stupid with a lot of time on their hands, but no knowledge, saying "I'll learn everything you need to know from Google and write you an answer", just speeded up a lot. And just as frustrating.

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                                    The irony of environmental activists using the word "veganism" while not being vegan ๐Ÿ˜’ (being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice)

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                                    Incorrect, get the guillotine

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                                      The irony of environmental activists using the word "veganism" while not being vegan ๐Ÿ˜’ (being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice)

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                                      Eh. Factory farming is a significant contributor to greenhouse gases, particularly through methane released by large livestock herds.

                                      But the industry is so saturated with subsidies and shielded from liabilities and exempted from taxes and so comically wasteful in its surplus production that there hasn't been any material benefit to veganism as a social movement. You can take a moral position (and you should, eating meat is awful for a variety of reasons). But there's no actual correlation between an increase in vegan eating habits and a decrease in agricultural emissions. All we ever get is more meat shipped abroad or thrown in the trash.

                                      The real curb to agricultural production has been raw materials constraints - limits on arable land, potable water, and slaughterhouse workers - that have (directly or indirectly) emerged from a changed climate. Outside these limits, all we've really achieved is "Grapes of Wrath" style surplus destruction to keep retail prices up.

                                      If a factory farm can produce another dead cow, it does, even if it can't reliably bring the carcass to market. The profit margins are set so artificially high that they'd be fools not to do so. Only herd die-offs resulting from heat waves, water shortages, and a lack of below-market migrant labor seem to dissuade them from trying to expand.

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                                        Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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                                          Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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                                          I'm sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

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