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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • J [email protected]

    I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.

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    It follows, but it is also feels like click bait.

    A definition of vegan is:

    A vegetarian who eats plant products only, especially one who uses no products derived from animals, as fur or leather.

    There is an environmental parallel, and it made me read the article to see what they were on about -- so I guess it worked.

    To be clear, I am very pro environment (I live in it); I just feel like this is crossing the streams of related, but completely different movements, isn't particularly helpful.

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      Wishful thinking. Crypto never got anywhere anyway. I am already seeing AI slop on billboards and all.

      Crypto went as far as a YouTube ad for me. I am seeing everyday examples of AI use and generated slop.

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      It's at all time highs

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        propaganda like this is so fucking sad

        colonizers don't have anything to value in their culture and they don't have a future so they want to rip on people who aren't buying their garbage

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          The big corporations desperately want AI to be popular because they've thrown literally insane amounts of money at it and still don't know how to monetize it.

          There's going to be a huge push to make it seem like everyone loves it and it's weird not to use it constantly

          It's going to go horribly and come off like that "fellow kids" meme, exactly like this headline

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          A good example were those Apple AI ads. So cringe. Google's ads aren't much better but at least Gemini works.

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            I prefer Neo-Luddite. There's a few aspects of modern tech I eschew - AI/LLM bring one of them.

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            Why neo?

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            • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]
              • Working class: retirement vegan
              • American: healthcare vegan
              • German: humour vegan

              My god, it's unstoppable

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              On this blessed day, we are all truly vegans.

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                Reading this thread, I wonder if the term is intended to divide a largely environmentalist opposition.

                Makes "nocoiner" seem tame by comparison.

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                • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                  Eh. Factory farming is a significant contributor to greenhouse gases, particularly through methane released by large livestock herds.

                  But the industry is so saturated with subsidies and shielded from liabilities and exempted from taxes and so comically wasteful in its surplus production that there hasn't been any material benefit to veganism as a social movement. You can take a moral position (and you should, eating meat is awful for a variety of reasons). But there's no actual correlation between an increase in vegan eating habits and a decrease in agricultural emissions. All we ever get is more meat shipped abroad or thrown in the trash.

                  The real curb to agricultural production has been raw materials constraints - limits on arable land, potable water, and slaughterhouse workers - that have (directly or indirectly) emerged from a changed climate. Outside these limits, all we've really achieved is "Grapes of Wrath" style surplus destruction to keep retail prices up.

                  If a factory farm can produce another dead cow, it does, even if it can't reliably bring the carcass to market. The profit margins are set so artificially high that they'd be fools not to do so. Only herd die-offs resulting from heat waves, water shortages, and a lack of below-market migrant labor seem to dissuade them from trying to expand.

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                  So just the "Appeal to futility" logical fallacy? I'm convinced!

                  Every change starts somewhere. Yes, 0.001% of the population can be vegan and it most likely won't save a single slaughterhouse animal. But 1%? That's already significant enough to make at least some change, and 10%? That's already setting market trends and modifying industries, 50%?

                  You get my point. You joining the current vegan population is significant! The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US, and estimated to be a total of 1%-3% of the global population. This is a movement that has probably saved more lives and more gas emissions than many others have.

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                  • J [email protected]

                    “Vegan sex” is actually a different thing. It’s penetration but you stop before you cum.

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                    If the human you're fucking consented, then consuming their fluids is vegan. Hell if they consent, eating them would be vegan too.

                    Animals do not consent to having fluids extracted or their lives taken and flesh consumed. Animal agriculture keeps animals in filthy, torturous conditions too, which no animal would ever consent to either.

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                    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

                      Reading this thread, I wonder if the term is intended to divide a largely environmentalist opposition.

                      Makes "nocoiner" seem tame by comparison.

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                      There's a huge push right now to salvage the AI hype bubble as people realize the tech can't live up to the promises. They are also trying to prevent regulation.

                      This includes the pushes to humanize the tool, like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.

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                      • A [email protected]

                        netaphor vegan

                        Found an autocorrect vegan!

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                        In my most upvoted comment. I'm hating that typo so much.

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                          I'm sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

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                          I'm a sex vegetarian gotta be a bit open

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                            So just the "Appeal to futility" logical fallacy? I'm convinced!

                            Every change starts somewhere. Yes, 0.001% of the population can be vegan and it most likely won't save a single slaughterhouse animal. But 1%? That's already significant enough to make at least some change, and 10%? That's already setting market trends and modifying industries, 50%?

                            You get my point. You joining the current vegan population is significant! The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US, and estimated to be a total of 1%-3% of the global population. This is a movement that has probably saved more lives and more gas emissions than many others have.

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                            So just the “Appeal to futility” logical fallacy?

                            At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice. And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.

                            You joining the current vegan population is significant!

                            It's significant for popular politics, sure. But a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.

                            The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US

                            The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals. In the US, it's practically a sacrament to eat burger.

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                            • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

                              It's at all time highs

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                              Yeah, maybe the charts, not the public influence

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                              • J [email protected]

                                I just don't use it because it's shit and doesn't do anything I need any better than I can do myself in the same time.

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                                "Hey why don't you use this tool you don't need? It does the thing worse than you do and also fucks up the planet in the process!"

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                                • I [email protected]

                                  HEre's a tip, paste the chapter index from the manual in it, ask "which chapter are relevant to " $question
                                  Then paste the chapter it asks, then formulate your question
                                  The AI search result though, useless because they're contextless, it's like a car without a steering wheel.

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                                  that is a poor tip, which manual? HPE and Aruba have a manual for each device each version of the AOS and even when I put the model in the search, the AI results come back with other model and commands that are no longer valid on the current AOS

                                  I have the manuals, I refer to them but the manuals don't always explain how to do things like make a TRUNK Trunk into a TRUNK LACP

                                  anyways the solution was to disable the port and then remove the Trunk from the port and then recreate the TRUNK with the ports and add LACP in the process

                                  it is madness because the word trunk has two different meanings in the same fucking context.

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                                    This is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Refusing to submit to corpo ratfuckery isn't a lifestyle choice. It's common sense.

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                                    • deflated0ne@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                      The only AI I'd ever want is something like a VI from Mass Effect. Runs locally and harvests absolutely zero data.

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                                      I wouldn't mind a Geth or two, for jolly cooperation

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                                      • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                                        Eh. Factory farming is a significant contributor to greenhouse gases, particularly through methane released by large livestock herds.

                                        But the industry is so saturated with subsidies and shielded from liabilities and exempted from taxes and so comically wasteful in its surplus production that there hasn't been any material benefit to veganism as a social movement. You can take a moral position (and you should, eating meat is awful for a variety of reasons). But there's no actual correlation between an increase in vegan eating habits and a decrease in agricultural emissions. All we ever get is more meat shipped abroad or thrown in the trash.

                                        The real curb to agricultural production has been raw materials constraints - limits on arable land, potable water, and slaughterhouse workers - that have (directly or indirectly) emerged from a changed climate. Outside these limits, all we've really achieved is "Grapes of Wrath" style surplus destruction to keep retail prices up.

                                        If a factory farm can produce another dead cow, it does, even if it can't reliably bring the carcass to market. The profit margins are set so artificially high that they'd be fools not to do so. Only herd die-offs resulting from heat waves, water shortages, and a lack of below-market migrant labor seem to dissuade them from trying to expand.

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                                        20 years ago you could have said "Well, solar panels might be great for sustainability in theory, but the fossil fuel industry is so overwhelmingly powerful and solar panels so bad and expensive, it's absolutely futile."

                                        Now, over 90% of added power plants are renewable, because there was at least some pressure to implement alternatives, and now they have matured enough to become economically viable on their own.

                                        I think there are certain parallels to factory farming and plant-based alternatives + cultivated meat. We know that factory farming is very unsustainable, especially in terms of climate impact, resource use and zoonotic diseases (like bird flu and swine flu). These issues become ever more pressing as factory farming continues. We just won't have a choice at some point but to switch to alternatives that are more sustainable, or everything goes to shit.

                                        Creating demand for the alternatives funds their R&D and furthers their availability, which in turn leads to better products for lower prices, which makes further adoption much easier. Advancing the alternatives might have a much bigger impact than the mere reduction in meat consumption.

                                        The more early adopters, the faster new technologies can advance. That's true for every sustainable industry like solar energy, wind energy, battery storage, electric cars, and also meat alternatives.

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                                          i wonder if they came up with such term to mock those who dont want to use ai and possibly actual vegans on the side.

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