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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • R [email protected]

    AI vegan is not a thing and shall never be.

    The correct term is Technophile. Anyone obsessed with tech would never hand it off to a third party to do when they can go through the joy of learning themselves.

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    That's a completely different reason to not use AI.

    You're a technophile - you don't use AI because you enjoy finding information on your own and learning. Great. That ignores the vast majority of people using AI to write emails/posts (which is not looking up information nor learning anything related to tech).

    The people the article is about don't want to use AI due to environmental reasons - the amounts of water and energy it uses for every prompt is stupid high and they don't want to contribute to that waste.

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      "AI vegans"? I knew guardian was already bought by tech bros, but wtf is that phrasing lmao I dont use AI either, simply because it is wrong more often than not and I am still capable of googling myself, but being cautious equals to being vegan in tech bro eyes?

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      • K [email protected]

        Its neither for me, i just dont like getting wrong information and AI is giving tons of it.

        Also its not intelligent it just fucking sounds so

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        Whithout a clear definition of intelligence, such a discussion is somewhat pointless. The closest thing I would use to describe artificial "intelligence" is: Mimicking human/natural thought and decision processes, without the necessity of being identical.

        Secondly, regarding your first paragraph:
        Humans excel at providing wrong information. Sometimes they are right. In that regard there are similarities between an LLM and a human.

        By the way: LLMs are part of the field of AI. But AI consists of a plethora of methods and algorithms, where LLMs are just a tiny fraction that is currently very popular.

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        • U [email protected]

          I want to avoid it but with google making sure that search results get worse and worse I'm in a bit of a pickle. Other search engines still feel lile they're a bit behind though

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          Have you tried Ecosia?

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          • A [email protected]

            I don’t use ai either. But because it’s fuckin stupid. It’s not even ai. It’s a glorified sorting algorithm.

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            Hard copium there

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            • C [email protected]

              Thats 99% lemmy users

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              Less but yea, many are anti AI here

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              • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                I refuse to use it because it's shit.

                We are not the same.

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                *because you don't know how to use it

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                  Yup, these things are still garbage for >90% of all applications people are jamming them into. Breathed a sigh of relief when my company CEO said he doesn't see us using AI for more than can center routing for at least the next several years.

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                  Works relatively well for image editing

                  Else yea I would agree, sometimes it's just shoved for nothing, but 90% seems like too much

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                    AI doesn't exist, machine learning algorithms can be useful and are used with no controversy, generative bullshit is basically useless.

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                    That's... not how it works. ML is AI also..

                    Don't talk about things you don't understand, please, to avoid misinforming other

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                      You're using a lot of very loosely defined terms with a lot of certainty. Machine learning is AI, we just usually apply it to the more simple versions of it. Where do you personally draw the line? I fully understand the plethora of risks, downsides, and injustices that can potentially be involved in the matter, but I legitimately don't understand the extremist level hatred that some people express to anything that could hold the title of AI. To me, it parallels with someone saying that they hate ionizing radiation. Frequently, it's also bad, and your entirely reasonable to try and avoid it on a daily basis, but it also has many uses that are beneficial and life-saving.

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                      #295

                      Same thinking as people who hate crypto for a part of it

                      They just sound completely dumb, yet it's the majority of people here

                      For a place that welcomes people, inclusivity and hate discrimination, there's a lot of generalization of a lot of topics

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                      • K [email protected]

                        This is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Refusing to submit to corpo ratfuckery isn't a lifestyle choice. It's common sense.

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                        It is though

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                          We don't need to invent new terms, like 'AI Vegan', when we have a perfectly good term already: Butlerian Jihadist.

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                          • pjwestin@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                            I don't use A.I. because I've had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, "art," that looks like shit hasn't made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn't a moral stance, it's just that the product isn't worth paying for. Stop framing people that don't use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn't good yet.

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                            Customer service AI sucks, I think we can all agree to this

                            But if you really believe that ChatGPT and Gemini is mainly for generating art, then you're completely wrong

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                            • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                              For most people, this isn’t a moral stance, it’s just that the product isn’t worth paying for.

                              Wait till you see the price of a burger in another five years.

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                              Yea, it's often really fucking cheap for the value, just like streaming services to an extent

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                                Shit take, the more AI-made media is online, the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

                                It won't be indistinguishable from media made with human effort, unless you enjoy wasting your time on cheap uninteresting manmade slop then you won't be fooled by cheap uninteresting and untrue AI-made slop.

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                                the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

                                They all use each other's data to improve. That's federated learning!

                                In a way, it's good because it helps have more competition

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                                  That's really stupid.

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                                    I don’t use ai either. But because it’s fuckin stupid. It’s not even ai. It’s a glorified sorting algorithm.

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                                    What would make it 'ai' in your mind?

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                                      What would make it 'ai' in your mind?

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                                      Sentience

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                                      • K [email protected]

                                        Its neither for me, i just dont like getting wrong information and AI is giving tons of it.

                                        Also its not intelligent it just fucking sounds so

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                                        I agree. AI would be way more useful if it gave some kind of indicator of accuracy, or even just saying "I don't know."

                                        Right now, AI only doesn't have an answer when the goons who programmed it told it not to give one.

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                                        • zacryon@feddit.orgZ [email protected]

                                          It is AI.

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                                          Not if you use "AI" as the abbreviation of "artificial intelligence".
                                          If you use AI as meaning "what chatGPT & co are" then it's a trueism.

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