Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons
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.... not because they're called vegan tho.
Right, but the word transfers the marginalization of vegans to 'ai vegans'.
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Right, but the word transfers the marginalization of vegans to 'ai vegans'.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Only if you personally marginalise vegans.
So for reasonable people it won't marginalise them, and changing your behaviour for unreasonable people makes no sense.
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"Newspaper which uses AI to write its articles concocts derogatory term for people who doesn't use AI"
wrote last edited by [email protected]Wow, thank you so much for sharing this. What a major blow to the Guardian's credibility
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"Enlighten yourself" you mean make your argument for you?
You do you bb. Keep believing whatever makes you feel best.
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I find it hilarious that most people in this thread are complaining about being called a "something vegan", like I can understand not being happy with the current AI trend, but it seems like the word "vegan" is what makes everyone ticks, it's NOT an insult, the "normal" vegan are very happy to be called like that, because what it refers too is something that they agree and identify with. If you agree and identify yourself with what those journalist are calling "AI vegans", the name doesn't matter, embrace it, call yourself that to easily express what you believe about AI.
Vegan is not an insult, it is a compliment.
Vegan is not an insult, it is a compliment.
It also has nothing to do with AI. It would be like calling them "AI feminists".
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This makes about as much sense as calling Linux users "Windows vegans".
Choosing to not use AI isn't some wacky contrarian position, it's a tame position that can easily be justified. (Don't want to use AI? Then don't.) If anything, trying to assert that constantly using AI for everything would be the new normal is the wacky position.
Imagine thinking that veganism is "wacky".
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Only if you personally marginalise vegans.
So for reasonable people it won't marginalise them, and changing your behaviour for unreasonable people makes no sense.
Me? The marginalisation of a group depends on my personal conceptions???
Society marginalises groups, not a single person. Its a cultural phenomenon that affects these groups whether we like it or not.
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Can we please stop coming up with words that describe that we do not do a thing like it is not normal?
Just like having to call yourself an atheist because you do not believe. You should call yourself a theist if you believe, because you actively do it. Call yourself what you are, do, or see fit, not what you are not.Part of becoming socially acceptable is being visible so that people understand that atheists aren't some kind of scary monster. We are your doctors, scientists, fire fighters, etc. You might even be friends with one! There might be one (or more!) in your own family! And the only way that is going to happen is if atheists identify as such.
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Im also a gun vegan, a car vegan, a facebook vegan, an exercise vegan (unfortunately), a windows vegan, ... just not actual vegan.
I feel like thats a bad way to use the word vegan.
Yeah... It's just abstaining from something. Veganism didn't invent that. Dumb headline
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I hate the term AI vegan. I prefer mistechnitinoimosyne. More classy.
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"AI vegans"? I knew guardian was already bought by tech bros, but wtf is that phrasing lmao I dont use AI either, simply because it is wrong more often than not and I am still capable of googling myself, but being cautious equals to being vegan in tech bro eyes?
I don't agree with the framing, either, but they're drawing parallels between people not using something due to a principled moral stance. (As well as some not-so-subtle implication that these people are holier-than-thou, too.)
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There's a huge push right now to salvage the AI hype bubble as people realize the tech can't live up to the promises. They are also trying to prevent regulation.
This includes the pushes to humanize the tool, like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.
like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.
Wait, who's saying this?!
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They're trying to pretend it's real AI rather than extremely complicated text prediction. Hell, the less knowledgeable among them might even believe it. LLMs are a sort of language pareidolia.
Hell, the less knowledgeable among them might even believe it.
What's weird is that the people who run the fucking companies apparently believe this. Or they're trying to convince us that they believe this.
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The irony of environmental activists using the word "veganism" while not being vegan
(being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice)They aren't using the word. Other people are using it and applying it to them.
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thank you. no matter how many times I point out the inefficacy of consumer choices or how I word it, I end up with bad faith and fact-avoidant responses like you got.
Veganism is a philosophy, not a boycott.
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So just the âAppeal to futilityâ logical fallacy?
At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice. And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.
You joining the current vegan population is significant!
It's significant for popular politics, sure. But a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.
The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US
The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals. In the US, it's practically a sacrament to eat burger.
And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.
Right. This isn't an argument against veganism; it's an argument for vegans getting organized.
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You only notice AI-generated content when itâs bad/obvious, but youâd never notice the AI-generated content thatâs so good itâs indistinguishable from something generated by a human.
I donât know what percentage of the âgoodâ content we see is AI-generated, but itâs probably more than 0 and will probably go up over time.
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that it was trained on stolen artwork and is being used to put artists out of work. I think that, and the environmental effect, are better arguments against AI than some subjective statement about whether or not it's good.
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ITT: people really upset at being called 'vegan' for some reason.
It's pretty clear that the author doesn't intend it as a compliment.
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This is someone more obnoxious than ai tech bros
I think this IS an AI tech bro. Or at least an AI tech bro dick-rider.
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Search sucks and the AI is faster for tech questions. Try searching a Linux cli question or obscure error. Lots of stuff from over a decade ago that are no longer relevant. And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.
Can you give an example?
