Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons
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"AI vegans"? I knew guardian was already bought by tech bros, but wtf is that phrasing lmao I dont use AI either, simply because it is wrong more often than not and I am still capable of googling myself, but being cautious equals to being vegan in tech bro eyes?
I don't agree with the framing, either, but they're drawing parallels between people not using something due to a principled moral stance. (As well as some not-so-subtle implication that these people are holier-than-thou, too.)
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There's a huge push right now to salvage the AI hype bubble as people realize the tech can't live up to the promises. They are also trying to prevent regulation.
This includes the pushes to humanize the tool, like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.
like saying it deserves rights or that there may be some kind of racism against the tool.
Wait, who's saying this?!
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They're trying to pretend it's real AI rather than extremely complicated text prediction. Hell, the less knowledgeable among them might even believe it. LLMs are a sort of language pareidolia.
Hell, the less knowledgeable among them might even believe it.
What's weird is that the people who run the fucking companies apparently believe this. Or they're trying to convince us that they believe this.
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The irony of environmental activists using the word "veganism" while not being vegan
(being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice)They aren't using the word. Other people are using it and applying it to them.
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thank you. no matter how many times I point out the inefficacy of consumer choices or how I word it, I end up with bad faith and fact-avoidant responses like you got.
Veganism is a philosophy, not a boycott.
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So just the âAppeal to futilityâ logical fallacy?
At some point, you have to recognize factory farming as a public policy decision rather than a retail choice. And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.
You joining the current vegan population is significant!
It's significant for popular politics, sure. But a vegan community that satisfies itself with attaching blinders when they pass through the Bad Foods aisle at the grocery store is going to end up in the same place as the climate activist who only owns a bike.
The vegan population is estimated to be 9% in india and mexico, 5% in Israel, 2% in the UK, 1.5% in the US
The difference between the US and India is that if you go around trying to butcher cows in particularly devote areas of India, you're subject to serious political reprisals. In the US, it's practically a sacrament to eat burger.
And the response has to be organized and political, not individualistic and consumerist.
Right. This isn't an argument against veganism; it's an argument for vegans getting organized.
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You only notice AI-generated content when itâs bad/obvious, but youâd never notice the AI-generated content thatâs so good itâs indistinguishable from something generated by a human.
I donât know what percentage of the âgoodâ content we see is AI-generated, but itâs probably more than 0 and will probably go up over time.
Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that it was trained on stolen artwork and is being used to put artists out of work. I think that, and the environmental effect, are better arguments against AI than some subjective statement about whether or not it's good.
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ITT: people really upset at being called 'vegan' for some reason.
It's pretty clear that the author doesn't intend it as a compliment.
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This is someone more obnoxious than ai tech bros
I think this IS an AI tech bro. Or at least an AI tech bro dick-rider.
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Search sucks and the AI is faster for tech questions. Try searching a Linux cli question or obscure error. Lots of stuff from over a decade ago that are no longer relevant. And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.
Can you give an example?
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Veganism is a philosophy, not a boycott.
so you recognize that this:
being vegan is one of the most significant reduction to greenhouse emissions that is within your personal choice
it's not actually a good argument for veganism?
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And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.
Uhhh, type in AI, wait a minute and get an answer. How are you checking it?
rm - f /isn't the only filesystem footgun.I'm finding AI to be right roughly only 60% of the time, and it's as bad and hallucinatory about shell scripts as it is about everything else.
It will happily admit its mistakes and give you another answer when you call it out, but it's no more likely to be right that time.
I've had them give me the exact same answer a second time. They politely apologized first, of course, and they were just as confident that it was correct as the first time.
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High five, fuck yes. Cool person detected. I think you're the first one to spot it, too.
I wish I had that series in print. Might be time to look into that
Ooh, print would be amazing. $30 for the softcover, wonder about shipping though...
I have to believe you're underestimating how recognizable TOE is. -
I've never used AI, even when wanting to give it a try. There was either a queue or a fee, or must click-wrap agree to terms and conditions for free two months and I wasn't going to do those.
I never did an NFT either.
Eh, you can download and run them locally now, and they don't even phone home.
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What a terrible choice of words. Theyâre immediately assigning political placement and party to the idea of avoiding AI use instead of appealing to all of humanity on this topic.
Plus, itâs a silly metaphor.
Which is the vegan party?
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Affirmations without argumentation can be dismissed without argumentation
Saying AI is a sorting algorithm is just inaccurate. What can I say apart from its just not how it works? Anyone who studied that field knows how much theyâre dishonest. They are just too many possibilities and types of AI to list them all
At this point a video game is just a glorified sorting algorithm of pixels of color
You use so many long words. do you also read them?
like, at all?
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It's pretty clear that the author doesn't intend it as a compliment.
That sounds like a 'them' problem. Veganism is based.
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You do you bb. Keep believing whatever makes you feel best.
Sounds kinda like you've got nothing and you know it
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Ooh, print would be amazing. $30 for the softcover, wonder about shipping though...
I have to believe you're underestimating how recognizable TOE is.It's a hard one to gauge for me. I'm pretty sure I found it via stumbleupon back when that was really great. I read the whole thing in close to one go, and I never hear anyone else talk about it.
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Did anyone let them know that reproduction harms the environment?
