In light of recent events, here's OpenStreetMap editors discussing naming of the Gulf of Mexico
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thank you, enlightened one… we are all forgetting every other crazy thing they’re doing and focusing exclusively on map apps….
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Why is this even being discussed?
Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?
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Aragonese?
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Russian doesn't even have definite articles, to them it was always just Ukraine.
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One way a global index can respect local authority would be for the index to acknowledge that within that territory, there is an official name for things.
They can also be pragmatic and acknowledge a common local name, the global consensus name, etc.
In many ways, it's just a further fragmentation like language.
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Current U.S. leadership: Our billionaires are gonna be bigger than all the other billionaires in the world put together. (I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there: if US billionaires don't amass significantly more wealth, they won't be competitive in the billionaire world against outside billionaires.)
U.S. Democracy: If one dollar = one vote, I guess we should save all that money we have been wasting on elections.
The real reason for the surge in prosperity of the middle and lower classes after WWII: decimation of the ultra-wealthy throughout the developed world. Remember: the post WWII US income tax on the wealthy was 91% - literal decimation, for those who paid.
https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-rates
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Are you taking about Formosa or the Republic of China?
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I dunno. That could be kinda snappy on a map. "Ok, let's see, here we have the North Atlantic, the Sargasso Sea, and the Fuckass Gulf of America."
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What specifically do you think that OSM maintainers should be doing to stop this instead of maintaining OSM?
Also coup has a p.
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I'm going to be looking for ways to make the name even more Mexican now. Maybe just perfect my Spanish at least for that one phrase. Gwalfo de Meh-hee-co
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Its just a distraction meant to throw people off the smell of the real crimes they are committing. Call it the gulf of dogshit i dont care
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They also returned from the war to a much stronger welfare system.
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Only if they detract from a discussion of substance.
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Judging from this very polemic article by linguistic anthropologist Kahryn E. Graber, the argument is that a linguistic distinction that exists in Russian (and Ukrainian) is mirrorred in other languages using the definite article. 'Na Ukraine' on the one hand litterally means 'on Ukraine', 'v Ukraine' on the other 'in Ukraine'. Graber goes on to say that 'In Russian, a person is “na” an unbounded territory, such as a hill, but “v” a bounded territory that is defined politically or institutionally, such as a nation-state.' She would then probably also argue that the same, in English, goes for names like 'the Congo', being named after a river. The claim that this is a Soviet-era practice (if what she means by that is that it arose during the Soviet Union), is simply not true, though. In Google Books you can find plenty of titles with 'the Ukraine' from before 1900. The earliest mention I could find in English was from 1670.
It anyway strikes me as very performative. You can well argue that language influences the way we view the world (though, I think the way we view the world influences the language we use much more). Even so, there are obviously much bigger (concrete) threats to Ukrainian sovereignty than (to Ukrainians) foreigners using a definite article or not. Thus, it becomes less a matter of protecting sovereignty, and more a matter of simple respect to Ukrainian sensibilities. Ukrainians may take offence at you using the definite article, and you may want to prevent that by not saying 'the Ukraine'.
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(I honestly believe there's an insecurity motive there
Once you have more money than you could reasonably spend in a lifetime, it just becomes another penis measuring contest for insecure manchildren.
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Baton Rouge -> Red Stick
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Taiwan is the island, also known as Formosa, and it is ruled by the Republic of China. Separately, but still part of that state, there's the autonomous mainland provinces, calling themselves the People's Republic of China, a rebel faction which somehow steadfastly refuses to declare independence.
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@zlatiah Best comment in this thread: " Can we retag Trump’s golf courses as Golf of Mexico? "
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- Nogales -> Walnuts
How about you rename deez (wal)nutz
Sorry, had to
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I could see myself wanting to own multiple private islands, getting Larry Ellison to sell me Lanai is going to take a lot of money.
