Why don't protestors who oppose Trump/ICE open carry their guns to prevent what's currently occuring in the US ie kidnapping, assaults etc?
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No that's nuts because its a fucking subway seat.
I do recall Nazi Germany was defeated by a shit ton of people sitting in the streets and strong letters.
You seem to think something that's scary can't happen in a western society. It does, humans are animals and when the other side is more violent and has no morals, there is no reasoning with them. They're there to oppress and use violence.
wrote last edited by [email protected]See, and there it is. Zero to a hundred. It's either popcorn or civil war, no gradient.
I mean, for one thing Nazi Germany also wasn't defeated by military cosplayers flashing their gun collection at them, and clearly neither was MAGA America. The first one was defeated by a borderline apocalyptic global war, so... in the grand scheme both the military cosplay and the sternly worded letters are pretty much about just as effective there. We're still waiting and seeing on the MAGA America part.
But for another, plenty of nonviolent and/or unarmed protest has achieved its goals, historically. From Europe to India to South Africa to the actual United States. The "sternly worded letter" derision is pure action movie fantasy. This month alone the governments of Madagascar and Nepal came down after mass protests. Not a single set of camo pants in sight, just... you know, students organizing on social media and One Piece flags for some reason because this is a weird timeline.
They weren't even fully nonviolent, either. There were clashes, there was enforcement violence and dozens of people, mostly protestors, were killed in both countries. And still two governments came down and the situations continue to evolve and push for full regime change.
Meanwhile the example I'm being given is some American fascists standing on a street while cops that agree with them wait for them to get sleepy at their military cosplay convention and go home.
I don't get Americans. I don't think the way they see the world as a culture makes sense, and I am terrified at how much they export it successfully through places like this. Nepal just held a full-on election over Discord and I still understand how that went down better than middle class America's political views.
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And republicans would never attempt to take guns away from liberals
So your suggestion is to disarm yourself for them?
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I believe open carry is illegal here in Illinois.
The meta I've heard is also that, if you're gonna brandish or draw a gun, you'd better be prepared to kill with it. I'm not prepared to die shooting cops so I don't feel like carrying. In the confusion of a gun fight I don't think I'd have much to add by shooting anyone
Like if someone told me that the 2nd amendment just causes more shootings and doesn't actually protect people on average I'd say yeah...
The meta I’ve heard is also that, if you’re gonna brandish or draw a gun, you’d better be prepared to kill with it.
That's dumb as fuck.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
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At a certain point we have to fight back.
The argument of "we can't respond to their violence with violence or they will become more violent" doesn't hold water when they are getting increasingly violent anyway.
It's a coward's fallacy
It’s a coward’s fallacy
Most of us are cowards, so this checks out.
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Why do people think that guns stop bullets? Guns attract bullets.
Guns enable the oppressed to fight back against their oppressors.
Look at Iran to see what happens when people try to protest against abuse without having firearms to protect themselves from said abuse.
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No, I made a coherent historical argument and then accurately personally attacked you, you're using the second part as an excuse to ignore the first part but we both know you've got no counter-argument. Like I said, fucking coward.
The answer is that people aren't willing to die in the tens of thousands to millions when they hope to unseat the scum in 26 ot 28
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See, and there it is. Zero to a hundred. It's either popcorn or civil war, no gradient.
I'm not the one who brought up not being able to fight against the military cause they have planes and tanks. No where in my replies have I suggested a civil war.
I mean, for one thing Nazi Germany also wasn't defeated by military cosplayers flashing their gun collection at them, and clearly neither was MAGA America.
Please go through my post history. I've been telling the left to arm themselves for decades now. This has nothing to do with maga, get that out of your head. The gravy seals would be the ones siding with the fascist.
The first one was defeated by a borderline apocalyptic global war, so... in the grand scheme both the military cosplay and the sternly worded letters are pretty much about just as effective there.
Which was fought and won with mostly small arms.
We're still waiting and seeing on the MAGA America part.
Not really. You seem to not live here, ICE is mostly made up from those magats...
But for another, plenty of nonviolent and/or unarmed protest has achieved its goals, historically. From Europe to India to South Africa to the actual United States. The "sternly worded letter" derision is pure action movie fantasy.
No one said to start a civil war. Still your missing the part that being armed can be peaceful. That's why I posted the link to 20k+ armed gun owners peacefully protesting gov overreach and cops left them the fuck alone.
This month alone the governments of Madagascar and Nepal came down after mass protests. Not a single set of camo pants in sight, just... you know, students organizing on social media and One Piece flags for some reason because this is a weird timeline.
They weren't even fully nonviolent, either. There were clashes, there was enforcement violence and dozens of people, mostly protestors, were killed in both countries. And still two governments came down and the situations continue to evolve and push for full regime change.
And burning gov buildings and killing their leaders... totally peaceful... way to contradict your point.
Meanwhile the example I'm being given is some American fascists standing on a street while cops that agree with them wait for them to get sleepy at their military cosplay convention and go home.
Again, it was peaceful because those same cops don't want to start shit and die for a paycheck. This example isn't there to show you that bringing guns to a protest magically makes things get done. I brought it up because left protesters are usually unarmed and are pushed around and arrested on bullshit.
I don't get Americans. I don't think the way they see the world as a culture makes sense, and I am terrified at how much they export it successfully through places like this. Nepal just held a full-on election over Discord and I still understand how that went down better than middle class America's political views.
The right is not being exported by just Americans, it's a growing movement in the world because of poorly educated people and social media.
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The meta I’ve heard is also that, if you’re gonna brandish or draw a gun, you’d better be prepared to kill with it.
That's dumb as fuck.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You say that, but my father, when I was I growing up, told me that the only thing you're supposed to aim a gun at is something you want to destroy.
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You say that, but my father, when I was I growing up, told me that the only thing you're supposed to aim a gun at is something you want to destroy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Aiming a gun isn't the same as brandishing or drawing it.
Maybe your father should've spent less time teaching you about guns and more time helping you with your English homework.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Thanks for reinforcing this.
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Aiming a gun isn't the same as brandishing or drawing it.
Maybe your father should've spent less time teaching you about guns and more time helping you with your English homework.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Thanks for reinforcing this.
Please demonstrate this by aiming your gun at a cop and arguing that you weren't brandishing with however many brand new holes.
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Please demonstrate this by aiming your gun at a cop and arguing that you weren't brandishing with however many brand new holes.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Are you fucking stupid?
Aiming a gun at a cop is significantly worse than brandishing. Why would I try to argue what you're saying unless I'm an idiot?
Oh, wait a minute. Gotta tap the sign.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Also ignored. I know I won't be able to tolerate any more drivel from someone like you.
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Are you fucking stupid?
Aiming a gun at a cop is significantly worse than brandishing. Why would I try to argue what you're saying unless I'm an idiot?
Oh, wait a minute. Gotta tap the sign.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Also ignored. I know I won't be able to tolerate any more drivel from someone like you.
How's that boot taste?
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At a certain point we have to fight back.
The argument of "we can't respond to their violence with violence or they will become more violent" doesn't hold water when they are getting increasingly violent anyway.
It's a coward's fallacy
wrote last edited by [email protected]We may reach that point.
We should try a general strike first. We don't even need to combine it with protests. We just have everyone stay home and refuse to work. You can fight the government by playing old video games or watching TV.
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Americans are domesticated cowards
Don't have kids, leave the country if you can afford to.
Yes, we are. Unfortunately, I cannot afford to leave. If I could, my partner and I are unmarried, so it would be hard to find a place we could both move to, and I don't think she's willing to leave her dad. This stress has been at a dull roar since last November. I am not OK. I am not OK.
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We had tanks in Afghanistan, didn't stop us from losing. Nobody in history, no matter how well armed, has ever won a war against a dedicated insurgency.
It's kind of like how many people are afraid of geese. An angry goose can give significant bruises and is basically impossible for an average person to restrain without killing the goose, so the only option is to run away. Because the easy win of breaking the goose's neck is not on the table for most people.
The US lost in Afghanistan because the goal was to turn it into a functioning democracy, and the local culture did not support that. If the goal had been "winning", the Army was entirely capable of slaughtering the large majority of the population and then importing settlers to numerically overwhelm the remnant population. Like our ancestors did to the Native Americans.
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The meta I’ve heard is also that, if you’re gonna brandish or draw a gun, you’d better be prepared to kill with it.
That's dumb as fuck.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Sounds like you're the average person.
The only reason to open carry to a protest is as a threat. But if all you do is carry then it's an empty threat. Don't make threats you're not willing to follow through on. And this is a dumb threat to try to follow through on.
Also a lot of the people who are against ICE are also against guns, which is pretty obvious. You don't need to be embedded in us politics to know this.
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Is this not the reason the second amendment exists?
Regards
An Australian
Edit: I'm not advocating for violence. More so "a well regulated militia" which could be established by protesters or Democratic Governors for genuine self defence.Because people won’t open carry when it’s against the law so they don’t get arrested. Unlike ICE, they’re following the law.
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So your suggestion is to disarm yourself for them?
When did I say that?
I think the opposite should be true the whole point of the 2nd amendment is to fight tyranny which is what we are seeing by marching soldiers into cities
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Aiming a gun isn't the same as brandishing or drawing it.
Maybe your father should've spent less time teaching you about guns and more time helping you with your English homework.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Thanks for reinforcing this.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Aiming a gun isn’t the same as brandishing or drawing it.
I think it's a distinction without a difference when you're in a situation where both parties have firearms (and one party has the backing of the state and a monopoly on violence).
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Are you fucking stupid?
Aiming a gun at a cop is significantly worse than brandishing. Why would I try to argue what you're saying unless I'm an idiot?
Oh, wait a minute. Gotta tap the sign.
Glad I stopped trying to find logic in the average person.
Also ignored. I know I won't be able to tolerate any more drivel from someone like you.
Are you an ammosexual?
