Tesla Installing Countermeasures as People Are Hacking the Cables Off Superchargers
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Just get rid of the fuel stations. It’s ridiculous that vehicles owners should expect to refuel their cars anywhere but at home or at work
I'm inclined to agree that all motorized personal vehicles and their attendant infrastructure should be eliminated. However, you're making a false equivalency. I live in New Jersey, so it takes maybe five minutes for me to completely refuel my car with gasoline. My understanding is that it takes six times as long to charge a big EV to ~80%. Therefore, a single fueling station can serve many more people with a much smaller footprint. Furthermore, fuel gets consumed, whereas batteries are mostly dead weight that occasionally do the thermal runaway thing.
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l'd say that it's pretty necessary for long-distance trips.
Battery powered EVs should not be used for long-distance trips.
I mean...I agree with you that EVs are relatively-poorly-suited compared to ICEs for long distance trips, and if I had both a gasoline-powered and electricity-powered vehicle, I'd use the gasoline-powered one for a long-distance trip... but not everyone is going to own both. It's hardly reasonable to say "well, people who own EVs just can't travel long distances".
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They must have a lot of copper. Thieves are going target them. What can you do in a land of criminals?
I just think installing these BEV charging stations everywhere is a bad idea in the first place.
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I don't care about any particular EV brand. Trying to use battery powered EVs for such purposes means that they need to built with heavy, oversized, extra hazardous batteries. The responsible, proper use case for BEVs is short trips with plenty of time for charging at home or work.
Batteries and liquid fuel are both hazardous in terms of catching fire, do you mean something else?
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I mean...I agree with you that EVs are relatively-poorly-suited compared to ICEs for long distance trips, and if I had both a gasoline-powered and electricity-powered vehicle, I'd use the gasoline-powered one for a long-distance trip... but not everyone is going to own both. It's hardly reasonable to say "well, people who own EVs just can't travel long distances".
Take a bus or a train. Public transit is of course the real solution. Transitioning from ICE personal vehicles to personal BEVs doesn't really solve much and arguably creates more problems.
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I'm inclined to agree that all motorized personal vehicles and their attendant infrastructure should be eliminated. However, you're making a false equivalency. I live in New Jersey, so it takes maybe five minutes for me to completely refuel my car with gasoline. My understanding is that it takes six times as long to charge a big EV to ~80%. Therefore, a single fueling station can serve many more people with a much smaller footprint. Furthermore, fuel gets consumed, whereas batteries are mostly dead weight that occasionally do the thermal runaway thing.
I really like the "thermal runaway thing" expression, and yeah it is a false equivalency but it’s a funny one.
EV charging and the tech around it can be slow today, but it doesn’t mean we should abandon and go back to what we know is working (as some people want to). This is a recipe for zero innovation and not the way to become a Star Trek like civilization.
In my city there are electric buses that charge in a few seconds at some stops along the route. No overhead wires, no big diesel engines and no noise.
We just need to work and improve those new vehicles, find better than the actual EV and combustion engines as well.
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I'm inclined to agree that all motorized personal vehicles and their attendant infrastructure should be eliminated. However, you're making a false equivalency. I live in New Jersey, so it takes maybe five minutes for me to completely refuel my car with gasoline. My understanding is that it takes six times as long to charge a big EV to ~80%. Therefore, a single fueling station can serve many more people with a much smaller footprint. Furthermore, fuel gets consumed, whereas batteries are mostly dead weight that occasionally do the thermal runaway thing.
all motorized personal vehicles and their attendant infrastructure should be eliminated
I live in New Jersey, so
Nuff said.
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Not joking. Why do you think EV owners need charging stations everywhere in order to travel? They're not restricted to using only their EVs, right?
Ah I see, EV owners should also own a gaz guzzling car only for going on vacation I see. Very good point you are very smart.
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I really like the "thermal runaway thing" expression, and yeah it is a false equivalency but it’s a funny one.
EV charging and the tech around it can be slow today, but it doesn’t mean we should abandon and go back to what we know is working (as some people want to). This is a recipe for zero innovation and not the way to become a Star Trek like civilization.
In my city there are electric buses that charge in a few seconds at some stops along the route. No overhead wires, no big diesel engines and no noise.
We just need to work and improve those new vehicles, find better than the actual EV and combustion engines as well.
Which buses are those?
My position is that the development of long range BEVs (and all the externalities associated with manufacturing and disposing of these batteries) has been an incredible detour. We already had the technology for fuel cell EVs with as much range as ICE vehicles. Meanwhile, short range BEVs are great because they solve the problem of refueling and avoid the problem of recharging, since you can do it while you sleep work. Long range BEVs just trade refueling for "fast" recharging, which is actually slower and more inconvenient than refueling. Where we really need innovation and development is in mass, public transit.
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Ah I see, EV owners should also own a gaz guzzling car only for going on vacation I see. Very good point you are very smart.
If you take a lot of long distance trips that it probably makes most sense to just keep a single ICE car. If you only take long trips occasionally then just rent one. Hopefully, buses and trains are also on option for you.
If you've got one of those BEVs capable of hundreds of miles of range, but you're only driving tens of miles everyday, you're not any better than an F150 owner with a clean bed.
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Which buses are those?
My position is that the development of long range BEVs (and all the externalities associated with manufacturing and disposing of these batteries) has been an incredible detour. We already had the technology for fuel cell EVs with as much range as ICE vehicles. Meanwhile, short range BEVs are great because they solve the problem of refueling and avoid the problem of recharging, since you can do it while you sleep work. Long range BEVs just trade refueling for "fast" recharging, which is actually slower and more inconvenient than refueling. Where we really need innovation and development is in mass, public transit.
It’s the TOSA https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSA_(bus)
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Batteries and liquid fuel are both hazardous in terms of catching fire, do you mean something else?
One can use natural gas (usually combined with some amount of gasoline). In terms of safety - if you've ever seen gas stations with concrete walls between fueling spots, that's where this is popular, so not very safe.
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Just get rid of the fuel stations. It’s ridiculous that vehicles owners should expect to refuel their cars anywhere but at home or at work
Just get rid of the cars. Build cities built for human communities, not for cars and mega corporations. Electric vehicles are a band-aid solution that’s not going to save us, and doesn’t solve the fundamental problem.
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Just get rid of the charging stations. It’s ridiculous that EV owners should expect to charge their cars anywhere but at home or at work
why the hell is that ridiculous? People do go places other than home and work. People take road trips and vacations. Electric cars are a good thing, just because one particular brand is owned by a narcisist ruining the country.
Also, not everyone has a parking spot with electricity. How are you supposed to charge if you're parking on a random place on the street, like most people do? I'd joke about "lower a chain of extension cords from your 20th floor", but that would be assuming you can park next to your home at all. My building's parking, for example, had all its spots sold out by now, while the very few ones for sale in the neighborhood cost a fortune. Apparently, they were affordable if you bought the apartment new, but on a secondary market - no.
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One can use natural gas (usually combined with some amount of gasoline). In terms of safety - if you've ever seen gas stations with concrete walls between fueling spots, that's where this is popular, so not very safe.
I've not seen those (may not be in my country). What do the concrete walls stop, explosions?
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Just get rid of the charging stations. It's ridiculous that EV owners should expect to charge their cars anywhere but at home or at work.
Anything with a Tesla logo on it is fair game.
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I've not seen those (may not be in my country). What do the concrete walls stop, explosions?
It's cheaper and more dangerous, and usually done where natural gas is much cheaper than gasoline. Yes, explosions.
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I'm going to disagree with you on the sentement. We need a better infrastructure for EVs, and non-tesla vehicles can use those charging stations (either via adaptor, or a few use that same plug type.)
Wait, do they not all use the same plug? Forgive my ignorance on EVs, my car is 60 years old.
With ya on infascructure. Would like to see better build quality than tesla stuff though, and hardware you own not locked behind pay walls. Add standardization to the list I guess.
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Wait, do they not all use the same plug? Forgive my ignorance on EVs, my car is 60 years old.
With ya on infascructure. Would like to see better build quality than tesla stuff though, and hardware you own not locked behind pay walls. Add standardization to the list I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOfyMCEzjQ
This guy has done several videos on EVs and their plugs but this one is what I feel is most relevant.
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Just get rid of the charging stations. It's ridiculous that EV owners should expect to charge their cars anywhere but at home or at work.
He was already selling flame-throwers. That would be hilarious.
