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Do you think **you** can become a benevolent dictator without ever getting corrupted or turn evil?

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    no but I could become a janitor that cleans up the workplace that nobody ever pays attention to

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    You guys think I'm just some untouchable peasant? Serf? Peon? Well, maybe so. But following a broom around after shitheads like you for the last 8 years, I've learned a couple of things. I look through your letters. I look through your lockers. I listen to your conversations, you don't know that but I do. I am the eyes and ears of this institution, my friends.

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      I might still be young enough to pull that off for a few more years yet.

      The way I would implement that is to day one set a date for elections of a congress and my own retirement. I'm imagining a Mars Attacks scenario in which the ak ak ak aliens blow up congress and the government of the United States consists of the President's teenage daughter and a mariachi band. If through some set of goofy circumstances no meaningful government exists above me and I am in full command, we're gonna do shit my way for, say, four years, and then we're calling a congress. At which time I retire to a small estate somewhere in the Carolinas with only ceremonial powers, like I reserve the right to throw out first pitches of baseball games.

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      Nah, I figure I'd go for 20 years. 4 years isn't going to make meaningful change.

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        Relevant CGP Grey.

        From the point of view of "can you hold power and not let your heart of hearts be corrupted?" - Yeah, sure, why not? The problem is that as soon as you have a significant amount of power, someone else is going to want it. Probably someone with fewer scrupals. So you will quickly be forced into utilitarian thinking - you must do whatever is necessary to maintain your position of power, lest you be usurped by someone worse. And what is necessary to maintain power, to a common person, is often corruption, violence, and austerity for the people.

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          Yes

          I have a strong sense of justice, transparency, and collaboration. I would not turn corrupt or evil for my own gain, to remain in power, or for others.

          Would I be removed from my position? Maybe. Depends on the surroundings. A dictator is only as stable and powerful as the enablement surrounding them. Typically, they are also very influential people.


          What makes a good, benevolent dictator? Doesn't that inevitably lead to weakening their power?

          Collaborating on politics, hearing voices, and then making the or confirming the compromise and agreement? Sounds like a mostly celebratory role. A dictator without significance or power.

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            Yes and no.

            I have never had a lust for power. I have never had a desire to do things that people in power abuse their position to do (like nightmare islands, sex with interns, crushing minorities). I don't even have an intense desire for money beyond basic comfort (I would love to have money for a boat right now, but I'm content saving up for it). So corruption for any of that? No.

            However, I am not sure I have the capability of doing good in a proper way. I can't tell if I'd be a Sisko or if I would just fail to achieve any of my aims out of not wanting to do things the wrong way (if you go authoritarian to try to make things better, is that still corrupt or evil?). The world is a fucked up, difficult to navigate place, morally, when you are making decisions for a lot of people.

            So yeah, I could avoid corruption for my own sake, but I don't think I would be able to be a benevolent dictator.

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              I'm pretty sure it's not possible to become a dictator without first being corrupt and evil.

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                Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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                  I don't trust myself that much.

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                    I could absolutely be corrupt for the sake of everyone else's benefit. I don't need nor want wealth, I want enough to not worry about money, be able to take a sick day and not worry about it. I want people to be able to have kids and not have to worry about how they're going to support them. I want people to be able to get an education and not worry about how they're going to pay for it.

                    It's only a list of about 10 simple changes that could be implemented incredibly easy if leadership wasn't so worried about degrading one race or gender and lining their pockets.

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                      yes. I think a lot of people can. the thing is, the people who can won't be the runs running for office

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                        I think the problem for me would be less about corruption and more about me not being capable of taking that kind of responsibility.

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                          no, nobody can... nobody

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                            No. Although "turning evil" isn't what happens to those guys, exactly.

                            Dictators, in the sense of one man rule, don't actually exist. What an autocracy does have is a first among equals in a system where everyone is "looking over their shoulder". Even if someone who genuinely wants to make life great for the people takes power, there's severe limits to how they can do that.

                            Gorbachev is a great example of this. He was an idealistic person, and thought it would be good if the USSR switched to real democracy. Pretty immediately there were multiple coups until he was out of power, because anybody remotely high up the hierarchy had too many skeletons in their closet to allow that.

                            In the end, a dictator only gets to choose what kind of nightmarish dictatorship they want.

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                              Yes.

                              Fascism is the alternative people turn to when they can't cope with their own inadequacies.

                              I don't have that problem.

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                                I personally can, but that's because my empathetic response is unusually overblown.

                                My failure as a benevolent dictator would actually be becoming too detached from ordinary problems, so I'd need to have consistent town hall meetings where ordinary people could redress grievances, petition for aid and so on.

                                At that point it goes back to being a normal government, since the (un)elected official is trying their best to do the people's bidding while remaining accountable.

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                                  No I would be killed by a subordinate who wouldn't be.

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                                    Nope. And I wouldn't even try. I'm going full evil tyrant, day one.

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                                      I would rock that shit, literally my dream job, practical problem solver with infinite power.

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                                        I could BE a benevolent dictator, I could never BECOME a benevolent dictator. The process of getting there would exclude me, because I would reject the power structure needed to form the dictatorship in the first place.

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                                        Same here. Also I don’t think I’d make it long at the top either. I think a certain lack of empathy is required to be ok with some of the requirements of the position.

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                                          No.

                                          Not because I’m evil, but because I am empathetic and someone evil would absolutely figure out a way to use that to manipulate me.

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