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Do you think **you** can become a benevolent dictator without ever getting corrupted or turn evil?

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    I don't believe there ever has been a benevolent dictator. Sure, some dictators resulted in some amount of positive change (though almost always limited to a very small portion of their society) I couldn't name a single person described as a dictator who didn't seize and maintain power without violence and oppression.

    I don't think it's actually possible to wrest power away from the establishment and consolidate it in a single person's hands without violence.

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      I'll be happy to be your evil grand vizier, if you need one.

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      #28

      Underrated comment, power that sits unused will get preyed on.

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        If you're offering me the job, I'll give it a go. I think I'd do a shockingly great job, but even if I didn't, there is no universe where I'm as evil and incompetent as the people who are currently in charge.

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          That is increadibly hard to do.

          1. How do you define what goes into that 1 million of allowed wealth? If I buy a house worth 950000, would I only be allowed to save 50000.
          2. what about if the house increase in value so that it is worth 2 million, should I just accept that I loose 1 million? What about stocks?
          3. Inflation or Deflation, when/how will you update that limit?
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          I agree with your take on this. I think 1M is way too low. But 1 Billion... It's a bit easier to imagine the "you can't or the dictatorship will seize something" idea.

          The reality is that the wealthiest people usually influence the most

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            Don't think it's possible per definition of the word.

            If you take into account the wishes of the majority of the population what sets you apart from a constitutional monarchy?

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            Constitutional monarchy has a formal de jure system that guards against the "monarch" going crazy. If you are an actual "dictator", you could lose your mind oneday and start doing a genocide.

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              #32

              What's the point of being a dictator if you can't be corrupt? The only difference is that you have to remember this simple fact:

              No one gives a darn what the dictator's bank account looks like if they have full bellies, secure housing, and jobs that keep them just right balance of desperate and productive. Do those things, and they'll cheer when you build a statue of yourself. They'll be overjoyed when you get yourself a sex partner. And they'll fork over money willingly. Yes, it's easier to be feared than loved; but if you just do your job, nobody actually cares about the grift!

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                I know I can but none of you power-hungry would-be tyrants better try anything funny.

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                Pineapple is mandatory on all pizzas 😈 (I actually like it no joke)

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                  Nobody can.

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                    I'd like to think I wouldn't, but my chances probably aren't any better than the average person. I don't think I'd ever get anywhere near the worst leaders in history, but I wouldn't count on me being perfectly incorruptible.

                    But even if I was, that wouldn't be enough. Either I'd have to run the entire government myself, which is impossible, or I'd have to reliably find other incorruptible people to work for me and replace me when I die, which will never be reliable enough. If I didn't find incorruptible people, what's to stop them getting bribed into not letting me do anything until I let the corrupt people have their way?

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                    Corruption is easy to solve. Legalize offering bribes. Pay a large reward to anyone that can prove a bribe was accepted. Execute anyone that accepts bribes.

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                      I would instantly be assassinated for helping out people too much and handing too much power to workers syndicates

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                        #37

                        Sure, for the low price of a lifetime pension I'll benevolently dismantle the oligarchy; ban guns; make cars luxury items; massively expand mass transit; and bring in universal health and education!

                        Just ignore the claims that I've actually jailed or killed my opposition; held the families of so called "freedom fighters" so they'll turn themselves and their buddies in; made travel outside your area and healthcare impossible without government approval; and completely changed the history everyone learns.

                        Okay that's obviously pretty extreme. Just a reminder that if you're not careful even well intentioned dictatorships can be very oppressive. And every dictatorship is on a timer to a coup or revolution. And resetting that timer is not pretty. The only way off the treadmill is to have elections again.

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                          Yes but I would be incompetent to the point where there's not much difference.

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                            Pineapple is mandatory on all pizzas 😈 (I actually like it no joke)

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                            #39

                            Me too, little bit of sweet goes well with hot peppers. I like to lay it (and sometimes the peppers) out flat on a sheet in the oven to reduce some of the moisture content with a blast of broiler at the end for a quick singe.

                            That's it though, no more tyranny after the pizza thing.

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                              If you’re a dictator, surely you don’t have to justify any of your actions and just do whatever you want, right?

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                              You absolutely has to justify your actions, you will only be in power as long as your subordinates will follow your orders.

                              You can't just do whatever you want, you need to have a strategy, now doing this dictator stuff right will give you insane levels of power, but you can't just go crazy and boss everyone around from the get go, you need to reward your loyal subjects and create levels of privilege and harsh punishments for the people to enjoy and stay loyal.

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                                With my dictatorial powers .... my first action would be to seize and outlaw extreme wealth. No one would be allowed to own more than $1 million.

                                All the money collected would be used for government and providing a Universal Basic Income for everyone.

                                And I'd get a designer to make me a big fancy hat.

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                                Ignore these naysayers. Tell us more about the hat.

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                                  I'm less worried about getting corrupted and turning evil, and more about having the powerful people of the country/world go after me with all their might after I declare a transition into anarchism/socialism.

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                                    only if you are somehow affiliated with the military (so they don't off you) and if you are independently wealthy. It's the trap of falling into supporting oppression (military state) or oligarchy (bruce wayne doesn't need to take bribes lol) that wrecks most dictatorships...

                                    oh and lust for complete and unity power against the will of the masses, that's a problem too.

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                                      Yes. I don't require people's adulation because I'm already proud enough (veering more into arrogance and never into the insecurity that's at the core of every billionaire villain we know), I don't love money because I simply don't like things like that (and would find it shameful if I did, I'm very Diogenes-coded), and I wouldn't overstep my moral limits because 1) I'm a deeply religious man who believes in the Day of Judgment (and I'm not stupid/weak enough to lie to myself to excuse my actions) and 2) I have a lot of experience suffering fools to the point I just pity them and wish them the best even when they insult/dislike/hate me so I wouldn't just emotionally lash out or whatever (that would just make me the more foolish one then and my clarity and pride will not allow that, you can see my comment history if you need confirmation, lol).

                                      It's extremely rare to be in my position, and while there are a myriad of things I could not be because I'm just too incompetent for it, being a benevolent dictator is probably one thing I could be a natural at. I already naturally default to a very paternalistic, therapeutic role in both my friend groups and my family (regardless of age, with even my divorced aunties in their 60s calling me for advice and reassurance!). 👍

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                                        That is increadibly hard to do.

                                        1. How do you define what goes into that 1 million of allowed wealth? If I buy a house worth 950000, would I only be allowed to save 50000.
                                        2. what about if the house increase in value so that it is worth 2 million, should I just accept that I loose 1 million? What about stocks?
                                        3. Inflation or Deflation, when/how will you update that limit?
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                                        I’d do the same but at 1b. And then execute anyone that steps over 1B. It’s incredibly easy to not be a billionaire.

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                                          Relevant CGP Grey video

                                          Basically it is a structural problem that ensures corrupt behavior. A dictator has to direct resources to the people most relevant to their continued power to buy their loyalty, and away from everyone else whose support is irrelevant. Not being a scumbag in that position could get you killed.

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