Israeli forces would be expected to do this in order to uphold the government's blockade, and the flotilla crew would know that before going in (that's why they had prerecorded messages ready).
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Israeli forces would be expected to do this in order to uphold the government's blockade, and the flotilla crew would know that before going in (that's why they had prerecorded messages ready). That doesn't make it any less awful, but they accepted this risk.
But if this goes sour for Thunberg, it's going to be a global shitstorm that might finally break through the Israel defenders. I hope nothing happens to the crew and they're returned safely, and I hope this brings more publicity to what's occurring.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]My only doubt was to whether they'd shoot them down outright (in international waters btw) or arrest them.
It seems as though the rich white swede is a worthy victim, so they chose the latter. Now they have hostages for closed-door negotiations. Hooray.Let's see what will The World
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My only doubt was to whether they'd shoot them down outright (in international waters btw) or arrest them.
It seems as though the rich white swede is a worthy victim, so they chose the latter. Now they have hostages for closed-door negotiations. Hooray.Let's see what will The World
do. Cynical be is betting on "not much beyond stern words".Remember media bubbles are different in different countries.
The nordic media are pretty intensely hostile to Israel already and have been for years.
Harming a famous swede on a clear peaceful mission would go nuclear.
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Israeli forces would be expected to do this in order to uphold the government's blockade, and the flotilla crew would know that before going in (that's why they had prerecorded messages ready). That doesn't make it any less awful, but they accepted this risk.
But if this goes sour for Thunberg, it's going to be a global shitstorm that might finally break through the Israel defenders. I hope nothing happens to the crew and they're returned safely, and I hope this brings more publicity to what's occurring.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Thunberg is a public figure and that would trigger something if anything were to happen to her (apart from being illegally kidnapped during an act of piracy by a rogue terrorist state). But there is also Rima Hassan on board, a French Palestinian sitting EU representative. The fact that nobody in the EU, and especially France, called Israel out on kidnapping a sitting rep yet is absolutely appalling and terrifying.
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Remember media bubbles are different in different countries.
The nordic media are pretty intensely hostile to Israel already and have been for years.
Harming a famous swede on a clear peaceful mission would go nuclear.
I wouldn't use "nuclear" in this context and Sweden's been turning right as of late. We'll see.
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Thunberg is a public figure and that would trigger something if anything were to happen to her (apart from being illegally kidnapped during an act of piracy by a rogue terrorist state). But there is also Rima Hassan on board, a French Palestinian sitting EU representative. The fact that nobody in the EU, and especially France, called Israel out on kidnapping a sitting rep yet is absolutely appalling and terrifying.
France literally issued a condemnation and called for them to all be released.
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France literally issued a condemnation and called for them to all be released.
Good to know, now I hope they take concrete action instead of just sending strongly worded letters
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France literally issued a condemnation and called for them to all be released.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]What does strong condemnation accomplish without real actions. In a just world we would have members of each country army protecting the flotilla
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Remember media bubbles are different in different countries.
The nordic media are pretty intensely hostile to Israel already and have been for years.
Harming a famous swede on a clear peaceful mission would go nuclear.
What do you mean by nuclear. Which actions will it do?
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What does strong condemnation accomplish without real actions. In a just world we would have members of each country army protecting the flotilla
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Well hopefully it will be the start of actions, but I don’t have high hopes.
Going immediately to counter-assault gives ammo to the freaks who think their actions are justified and they will escalate. Same with the IDF after Oct 6th, same with the US government after gestures broadly literally everything since WWII.
Real responsibility means making a statement first. Real courage means following through if you get a response you don’t like.
The first action they took was the correct one. I have little faith they’ll find the courage to take the second one (but I’d love to be proven wrong)
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Well hopefully it will be the start of actions, but I don’t have high hopes.
Going immediately to counter-assault gives ammo to the freaks who think their actions are justified and they will escalate. Same with the IDF after Oct 6th, same with the US government after gestures broadly literally everything since WWII.
Real responsibility means making a statement first. Real courage means following through if you get a response you don’t like.
The first action they took was the correct one. I have little faith they’ll find the courage to take the second one (but I’d love to be proven wrong)
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I been hearing "strong condemnations" for at least 20 years . No real action was ever done
There no question of courage. The western governments willingly support israel
