Syria orders women to cover up on beaches with conservative new dress code
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It was never going to be a liberal government. The rule is conservative dreck, make no mistake, but the norm was already for burkinis and other such swimsuits to be worn. It's not a radical departure from extant behavior.
My concern, going forward, is more towards whether the government will resolve itself in a reasonably democratic way.
I'm not holding out hopes for a Tunisia, but a Jordan or Lebanon might be reasonable to cross one's fingers for.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Never thought I'd see Tunisia mentioned as a beacon of democracy and/or progressiveness. It's just as oppressive there, just in the opposite direction. People are getting harrassed by police for going to friday prayers. Establishments seat you in the back for wearing headscarves, if you even get to enter. Source: got family there
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Never thought I'd see Tunisia mentioned as a beacon of democracy and/or progressiveness. It's just as oppressive there, just in the opposite direction. People are getting harrassed by police for going to friday prayers. Establishments seat you in the back for wearing headscarves, if you even get to enter. Source: got family there
I mean I wouldn't call it a beacon of democracy, but all things are relative. I picked one of the more reasonable polities in MENA with a mostly-functioning multiparty system. The alternative would've been saying I hoped for Turkiye, but, uh, considering Erdogan's behavior, I wasn't sure I wanted to make that comparison as a positive.
My point is simply that there is still hope for Syria to improve into something better than it was - and certainly better than some immensely calcified repressive regime like Iran or the Saudis, and that this... immensely distasteful conservative dreck does not necessarily sink that hope.
We look for Syria to take a step forward, not to become Sweden in a decade (though that would, obviously, also be immensely welcome; just less likely). Institutions are built a year at a time, a battle at a time, not all once.
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On the bright side, less skin cancer.
Probably more drownings though
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Probably more drownings though
Hey, at least your husband canāt beat you when youāre dead!
Iāll see myself out.
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Syria issued a conservative new dress code Tuesday requiring women to wear burkinis or full-body swimwear on all public beaches, the latest cultural shift since Islamist-led rebels toppled dictator Bashar al-Assadās regime last December.
The Tourism Ministry said the new guidelines were made in āthe requirements of public interest.ā
āVisitors to public beaches and pools, whether tourists or locals, are required to wear appropriate swimwear that takes into account public taste and the sensibilities of various segments of society,ā Tourism Minister Mazen al-Salhani said in a directive posted to Facebook.
A new government after the revolution. What is the first thing they do? Try to fix what is broken? No, oppress women some more!
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Syria issued a conservative new dress code Tuesday requiring women to wear burkinis or full-body swimwear on all public beaches, the latest cultural shift since Islamist-led rebels toppled dictator Bashar al-Assadās regime last December.
The Tourism Ministry said the new guidelines were made in āthe requirements of public interest.ā
āVisitors to public beaches and pools, whether tourists or locals, are required to wear appropriate swimwear that takes into account public taste and the sensibilities of various segments of society,ā Tourism Minister Mazen al-Salhani said in a directive posted to Facebook.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Not good because no one should tell wear anyone what to wear or what not to wear. Letās not forget the obsession of conservatives and even liberals with banning hijabs and niqabs in the western world under the guise of "liberatingā women. I find it ridiculous that the whole world seems obsessed with telling women how to dress.
Anyway, this is definitely a hint at the society they imagine and I donāt think itās a good direction. On the other hand I think westerners donāt understand the Middle East either.
The Middle East is very much class divided and the upper class wouldnāt go to public beaches anyway, while middle class and below is usually very conservative, no matter which religion or even if not religious.
Thatās why even without this ban you wouldnāt really see women in a bikini on public beaches because thatās not the culture. You can find it good or bad but thatās how the culture is. Even in Tunisia which people love mentioning itās not a common thing.
If you go to hotels itās gonna be different because thatās where all the rich locals will go to be on their own and usually they have a more "western" lifestyle. To illustrate, not even in hotels in Saudi Arabia would they enforce such a dress code (weāre talking about luxury hotels here) because money talks.
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Syria issued a conservative new dress code Tuesday requiring women to wear burkinis or full-body swimwear on all public beaches, the latest cultural shift since Islamist-led rebels toppled dictator Bashar al-Assadās regime last December.
The Tourism Ministry said the new guidelines were made in āthe requirements of public interest.ā
āVisitors to public beaches and pools, whether tourists or locals, are required to wear appropriate swimwear that takes into account public taste and the sensibilities of various segments of society,ā Tourism Minister Mazen al-Salhani said in a directive posted to Facebook.
Religion: Wrong about everything, everywhere all at once.
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Not good because no one should tell wear anyone what to wear or what not to wear. Letās not forget the obsession of conservatives and even liberals with banning hijabs and niqabs in the western world under the guise of "liberatingā women. I find it ridiculous that the whole world seems obsessed with telling women how to dress.
Anyway, this is definitely a hint at the society they imagine and I donāt think itās a good direction. On the other hand I think westerners donāt understand the Middle East either.
The Middle East is very much class divided and the upper class wouldnāt go to public beaches anyway, while middle class and below is usually very conservative, no matter which religion or even if not religious.
Thatās why even without this ban you wouldnāt really see women in a bikini on public beaches because thatās not the culture. You can find it good or bad but thatās how the culture is. Even in Tunisia which people love mentioning itās not a common thing.
If you go to hotels itās gonna be different because thatās where all the rich locals will go to be on their own and usually they have a more "western" lifestyle. To illustrate, not even in hotels in Saudi Arabia would they enforce such a dress code (weāre talking about luxury hotels here) because money talks.
I don't labor under the belief that anyone operating in an area that fraught with fundamentalist religious groups controlling all key functions of society actually KNOW what their own culture is. If half your population can't speak freely, you don't have an accurate view of your people's beliefs.
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I don't labor under the belief that anyone operating in an area that fraught with fundamentalist religious groups controlling all key functions of society actually KNOW what their own culture is. If half your population can't speak freely, you don't have an accurate view of your people's beliefs.
Yeah I mean thatās definitely true but I think itās also very western centric to assume that everyone will automatically start stripping naked just because they can. I certainly donāt even though I absolutely can, and I donāt wanna take it away from anyone. Itās just not what I wanna do.
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Yeah I mean thatās definitely true but I think itās also very western centric to assume that everyone will automatically start stripping naked just because they can. I certainly donāt even though I absolutely can, and I donāt wanna take it away from anyone. Itās just not what I wanna do.
Yeah I'd agree with the idea that a society historically repressed would slingshot to nude beaches right away. I just wouldn't make commentary on how likely a populace of oppressed people might seek freedoms and make the same mistake of assuming what their culture is when neither of us has heard what the people of said country wants.
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Yeah I'd agree with the idea that a society historically repressed would slingshot to nude beaches right away. I just wouldn't make commentary on how likely a populace of oppressed people might seek freedoms and make the same mistake of assuming what their culture is when neither of us has heard what the people of said country wants.
I mean Iām from the Middle East just fucked off from there a while ago
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I mean Iām from the Middle East just fucked off from there a while ago
And my neighbors are rural Trumpers. I still don't grasp what the hell it is they're after.
Big data, plot points from individuals, statistical regressions. That's what you need to make those claims. If not, it's personal anecdotes, personal anecdotes from someone who lived in the geographical region, yes, but just anecdotes.
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And my neighbors are rural Trumpers. I still don't grasp what the hell it is they're after.
Big data, plot points from individuals, statistical regressions. That's what you need to make those claims. If not, it's personal anecdotes, personal anecdotes from someone who lived in the geographical region, yes, but just anecdotes.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Fair enough, I donāt think you understand how different middle eastern societies are though from your individualistic American society. Itās normal to have 10 siblings and literally 100s of cousins and uncles/aunts. Itās normal to have family spread across the entire Middle East, the entire world actually. Our diaspora communities are huge, we have friends from all kinds of places and we talk a lot. In the end all I can offer you is a perspective, take it or leave it and most importantly enjoy your day!
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Syria issued a conservative new dress code Tuesday requiring women to wear burkinis or full-body swimwear on all public beaches, the latest cultural shift since Islamist-led rebels toppled dictator Bashar al-Assadās regime last December.
The Tourism Ministry said the new guidelines were made in āthe requirements of public interest.ā
āVisitors to public beaches and pools, whether tourists or locals, are required to wear appropriate swimwear that takes into account public taste and the sensibilities of various segments of society,ā Tourism Minister Mazen al-Salhani said in a directive posted to Facebook.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]christ, what a shithole. i would rather blow my brains out than ever be forced to wear a "burkini"
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It was never going to be a liberal government. The rule is conservative dreck, make no mistake, but the norm was already for burkinis and other such swimsuits to be worn. It's not a radical departure from extant behavior.
My concern, going forward, is more towards whether the government will resolve itself in a reasonably democratic way.
I'm not holding out hopes for a Tunisia, but a Jordan or Lebanon might be reasonable to cross one's fingers for.
Not that it matters that much anyway, HTS is essentially a joint puppet project by Turkey and the USA.
As long as whoever is in charge follows their geopolitical demands, they really won't care how they handle the internal country.
Still at least it's a significant upgrade from Assad. Anyone would take this over chemical weapon civil war again.
