UK police probe Bob Vylan's festival chants against Israeli military, as US revokes band's visas
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“Death, death to the SS!”?
What would it have accomplish? What does it accomplish?
It gets Lemmy known as a hotbed of terrorism. It may cause legal and/or political trouble for the admins of the site. And what does it do that other words don't?
Look at all the discussion here and consider how it is or isn't limited. What's happening in Gaza is a genocide. The IDF is responsible for it. What do death chants contribute to that conversation?
controversies make people talk so they never forget what is happening in Gaza and who is responsible for . Denying the right to say death to a terrorist army committing a genocide is to deny Palestinians the right to self defense .
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To be honest I had never heard of Bob Vylan before, so the people screaming they should be banned (so they dont become known?) reached the opposite effect, at least for me personally.
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Calling for death of any group is not allowed.
You can't stop the mouvement and Palestinians has the right to self defense whatever you like it or not
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No, Ukraine can do whatever they need to do to throw off an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions.
YOU are not Ukraine, and if you're going to participate here, you will abide by the rules of the community which explicitly do not advocate violence.
No, Ukraine can do whatever they need to do to throw off an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions.
Palestinian can't?
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No, Ukraine can do whatever they need to do to throw off an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions.
YOU are not Ukraine, and if you're going to participate here, you will abide by the rules of the community which explicitly do not advocate violence.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]These are contradictory statements, it makes no sense. When you say that "Ukraine can do whatever they need to do [in the face of] an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions" YOU are also saying that they can use deadly force. YOU are advocating violence on behalf of Ukraine. But if we flip the bit from Ukraine to Palestine suddenly it breaks the TOS?
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We specifically ban calls for violence, if you argue "Death to Apple" in an environment where Apple stores are being firebombed, then yeah, we'd remove those statements too.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Death to Israeli apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the Israeli Apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the occupation, the disposession and the genocide of Palestinians. Death to the structures that maim the humanity of both the colonizers and the colonized.
Long live all the people who live in Palestine from the river to the sea. Long live the children, the life, all children, all life, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and other. Palestinian, Druze, Bedouin, Samaritan, Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardic, and other.
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Doesn't matter. Calling for violence against any group is against TOS.
Your TOS do not prohibit it. It only prohibit call for violence against racial, ethnic groups and any minorities
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I wonder what the term is for anti-palestinian? The equivalent to anti-Semite but for Muslims I guess? Just Islamophobia? That doesn't have a good ring to it. We need a good term to use that Palestinians can play the racist card with for the next 100 years like Israel does.
Whatever it is, the only way to win this battle is for people to start using that new word to call out people who are quite obviously hateful. With enough use of the word over the years, it will have the same shameful effect as what they have done with the word the other side uses
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No, chanting death to Nazi was never controversial. It wouldn't even be controversial if it was death to the Russian army .
You are denying Palestinians right to self defense by opposing the chant death to the IDF
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You're bubbled, it's undeniably controversial to chant death to people, especially groups of people. By debating it you agree it's controversial, do you even know what the word means?
Please don't try to say I'm denying Palestinans the right to self defence because I don't want to chant death to their oppressors. My friend, that's a wild statement and you should pipe down
Next you're going to tell me I'm pro Russia because I don't agree Putin should be assassinated
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I guarantee you can find droves of zionists that say "free Palestine" implies the destruction of Israel and is therefore antisemitic.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Anyone who thinks those statements are one and the same is delusional and not even worth talking to.
If someone can prove to me they're not a rational human they lose my interest
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Anyone who thinks those statements are one and the same is delusional and not even worth talking to.
If someone can prove to me they're not a rational human they lose my interest
zionist
delusional
Correct.
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I wonder what the term is for anti-palestinian? The equivalent to anti-Semite but for Muslims I guess? Just Islamophobia? That doesn't have a good ring to it. We need a good term to use that Palestinians can play the racist card with for the next 100 years like Israel does.
Good question. It’s a venn diagram of Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism, and anti-Palestinian hate.
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Can we rename the Streisand Effect to Vylan Effect now?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]This song of theirs is fucking fantastic btw!
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Israel will be remembered in the History books the same way Germany circa 1930's is today.
Not if the fascists keep winning.
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Oh, don't discount the Racism.
People aren't being investigated by police for criticizing Russia.
If it was only about money, they wouldn't have reacted as they did to Russia's invasion of Ukraine given all the money many were making from Russian fossil fuels and mineral wealth.
The big difference in the reaction to Russia's Genocide in Ukraine and to Israel's Genocide in Gaza (which is way worse both in numbers and in how many of the civilians being murdered are small children) is that in Ukraine the victims are Whites as are the aggressors whilst in Gaza the victims are (brown) Muslims whilst the aggressors are Whites.
At least amongst the power elites, especially in places like the US, UK and Germany, White Colonialism isn't just this old 19th century practice we fortunatelly left behind, rather it's a way of viewing the world which very much alive and widelly held.
Racism is an inherent component of capitalism,
Especially it’s late stage of decline, fascism where those in power obfuscate their culpability by redirecting the ire of the masses towards scapegoated social classes -
Death to Israeli apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the Israeli Apartheid. Death to the institutions that uphold the occupation, the disposession and the genocide of Palestinians. Death to the structures that maim the humanity of both the colonizers and the colonized.
Long live all the people who live in Palestine from the river to the sea. Long live the children, the life, all children, all life, Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and other. Palestinian, Druze, Bedouin, Samaritan, Mizrahi, Ashkenaz, Sephardic, and other.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You were warned, this is now a temp ban. Continuing to be an asshole will earn a permanent ban.
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These are contradictory statements, it makes no sense. When you say that "Ukraine can do whatever they need to do [in the face of] an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions" YOU are also saying that they can use deadly force. YOU are advocating violence on behalf of Ukraine. But if we flip the bit from Ukraine to Palestine suddenly it breaks the TOS?
I am not, Ukraine is outside this place, what happens outside this place does not need to conform to our rules.
If you're going to participate, you will abide by the rules.
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No, Ukraine can do whatever they need to do to throw off an illegal invasion and genocidal statements and actions.
Palestinian can't?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Palestine can also do what they want, they aren't subject to the rules here. The people here will abide by our rules.
I'll make it super simple:
(Lemmy.World Rules (World.Lemmy.World Rules)) . . . (The entire rest of the world, including Palestine, Israel, Russia, Ukraine... everyone)
If you're here, you agree to our ruleset. If you're not here, our rules don't apply to you.
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You can't stop the mouvement and Palestinians has the right to self defense whatever you like it or not
I'm not interested in stopping anything outside bad behavior in the groups I moderate.
I have nothing to do with "the movement" and neither do you.
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I wonder what the term is for anti-palestinian? The equivalent to anti-Semite but for Muslims I guess? Just Islamophobia? That doesn't have a good ring to it. We need a good term to use that Palestinians can play the racist card with for the next 100 years like Israel does.
Not sure, but on a side point I reject any "anti semitism" claim because:
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usually its just used to try to silence you
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they're the ones anti semitic because Palestinians and arabs are semitic.
So maybe actually we should re-purpose antisemitism.
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