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And Merz and Scholz got their 2/3 majorities via concession of 100 B for environmental measures for the Greens.

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  • howru68@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

    And Merz and Scholz got their 2/3 majorities via concession of 100 B for environmental measures for the Greens.
    DW called it a humorously, " a Defence Package with a Green Stamp".

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    It is not „for the greens“ it is for Germany.

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      It is not „for the greens“ it is for Germany.

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      [DW]: (https://www.dw.com/en/billions-for-the-climate-germanys-surprising-green-victory/a-71960695😞 Despite a huge setback in Germany's federal election, the Green Party has secured a victory to the tune of billions of euros. The future governing coalition needed the Greens to realize a key political goal.

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        And Merz and Scholz got their 2/3 majorities via concession of 100 B for environmental measures for the Greens.
        DW called it a humorously, " a Defence Package with a Green Stamp".

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        So win win?

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          So win win?

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          For 4 years.

          The next government will be beholden to the debt brake again - and if the CDU happens to be in the opposition, they will block any and all investment to make the governing parties look worse.

          Although I expect the AfD to form a blocking minority for constitutional amendments anyway. Maybe we'll get the first CDU + AfD government by 2029 - wouldn't be the first time that German conservatives allow nazis to rise to power.

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            So win win?

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            The Greens had a strong position in the negotiations. To me it seems they got a good deal.

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              For 4 years.

              The next government will be beholden to the debt brake again - and if the CDU happens to be in the opposition, they will block any and all investment to make the governing parties look worse.

              Although I expect the AfD to form a blocking minority for constitutional amendments anyway. Maybe we'll get the first CDU + AfD government by 2029 - wouldn't be the first time that German conservatives allow nazis to rise to power.

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              Why would this only last 4 years? It’s a constitution change. It does not magically undo itself after a certain time.

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                Why would this only last 4 years? It’s a constitution change. It does not magically undo itself after a certain time.

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                The budget, I mean.

                In four years, I suspect nearly all money will be allocated and either the next government manages to make another constitutional amendment or they will lack founding again.

                500 billion is not a lot for 30 years of infrastructure decay.

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                  The budget, I mean.

                  In four years, I suspect nearly all money will be allocated and either the next government manages to make another constitutional amendment or they will lack founding again.

                  500 billion is not a lot for 30 years of infrastructure decay.

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                  Yes but the next budget can then be done by a simple 51% majority which is the regular coalition. This dept brake change needed a 2/3 vote and lays the foundation for easier budgets in the future.

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                    Yes but the next budget can then be done by a simple 51% majority which is the regular coalition. This dept brake change needed a 2/3 vote and lays the foundation for easier budgets in the future.

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                    Are you sure? From everything I read, there is only a 500 billion credit for infrastructure and an exception for defense spending above 1%.

                    If the 500 billion credit is largely spent and/or designated by 2029, the next government may not be able to pass a budget without a lot of cuts. Especially because retirement spending will explode by then, taking away money from everything else.

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                      Are you sure? From everything I read, there is only a 500 billion credit for infrastructure and an exception for defense spending above 1%.

                      If the 500 billion credit is largely spent and/or designated by 2029, the next government may not be able to pass a budget without a lot of cuts. Especially because retirement spending will explode by then, taking away money from everything else.

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                      You are right, the off-budget fund (Sondervermögen) for infrastructure also needed a 2/3 vote. I was under the impression that the 500 billion credit and how it will be spend was just part of the negotiations for the dept brake reform. My bad.

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