What's the weirdest thing you're upset about?
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Pathetic troll
wrote last edited by [email protected]Or maybe you don't know what you're talking about.
It would explain this reaction, and why you're no longer confident when pressed to give details.
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Why are you so confident in your understanding of it?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Nah, they're right, it is fantasy. I think some people have in their heads that particles spread out like waves in 3D space and Many Worlds is just like an objective collapse model where it collapses back into a particle when you look at it, but where all outcomes happen in a different branch of the multiverse rather than just having one outcome.
The reality is that it is only actually possible to consistently map quantum waves to 3D space when you have a single particle. The moment you introduce two or three, it quickly breaks down because the number of quantum waves grows exponentially. If you have 3 spin-1/2 particles then you would describe their state with 8 waves. You cannot consistently break apart 8 into 3. You end up quickly finding that it is actually impossible to assign the waves to any location at all in space or time, so you cannot think of them as something like a propagating field mode or anything like that.
These are waves made of nothing that do not exist anywhere and nobody can see them. One of the weirdest things about quantum mechanics I do not think people appreciate enough is how you evolve something that seems to have no relationship at all to the real-world system and yet it can predict its behavior statistically.
Most other interpretations see the waves as playing some role in determining where the particle in 3D space actually shows up. This is where MWI begins to make no sense: it denies that there ever even is a particle at all and physical reality is just the invisible waves. It does not actually posit that when an observation is made, the wave is reduced to an eigenstate on two different branches of a multiverse. It denies that there is ever a reduction at all.
Imagine a photon hits a beam splitter and has a 50%/50% chance of being reflected/transmitted, and you have two detectors on either side. At the end of the day, you will detect one or the other. But MWI denies that you will detect one or the other. It does not actually posit that the universe literally splits into two branches where you detect one or the other, because if all that exists is the quantum state and the quantum state also never reduces to anything, then neither detectors actually ever enter into an eigenstate where you can say a detection was made.
If you take MWI seriously, then what it is literally doing is denying the entirety of the reality that we observe. Everything we observe is just a lie, and true reality merely consists of a single giant infinite-dimensional wave that exists nowhere, is made of nothing, and nobody can ever see it. But clearly that is not what we perceive in the real-world, so MWI proponents have to claim what we perceive is an "illusion" created by "consciousness," and then will just kick the can down the road and say that the mystery of why what we perceive is nothing like "true" reality is caught up in the "mystery of consciousness" and when we solve that then we will also understand how the "illusion" is created. It doesn't really "solve" anything but just shifts one loaded topic under the umbrella of another.
Tim Maudlin has a good lecture on this problem in particular.
MWI proponents also constantly misrepresents the state of MWI to make it seem more "proven" than it actually is, such as repeatedly making the false claim that it is "simpler" because it deletes the Born rule. The Born rule was not added because it is funny, it was added because it is necessary rule to actually make predictions with the theory, to tie the quantum waves back to what we actually observe. If you delete it, you are left without any ability to derive probabilities, at least without adding another assumption.
Lev Vaidman did a survey of all the attempts to derive the Born rule in the literature and found every single one of them ends up introducing some additional assumption somewhere. They always at some point need to take on an assumption as arbitrary as the Born rule itself. Sean himself published a paper where he tries to develop a "quantum epistemic separability principle" to derive it which is based on doing a partial trace on the universal wave function and treating the diagonal entries in the reduced density matrix as probabilities, yet Richard Dawid and Simon Friederich pointed out in a response paper that there is no coherent justification for his ESP-QM other than it simply being proposed for the purpose of deriving the Born rule, and there is no justification that the diagonals of a reduced density matrix even tell you anything about probabilities unless you're already assuming the Born rule.
You can derive the Born rule through Gleason's theorem, but Gleason's theorem relies on one of its assumptions the idea that the quantum state actually translates to classical probabilities across classical measurement devices. This is obviously something denied in MWI as there are no classical measurement devices, and so Gleason's theorem cannot be used to justify the Born rule for MWI.
There is also an issue with locality. The EPR paper is basically a no-go theorem against local psi-complete interpretations of quantum mechanics. You cannot have a local psi-complete interpretation. MWI proponents may try to say it is "local" in Hilbert space, but this is rather meaningless as locality refers to position in 3D space. Something that is nonlocal is superluminal, it moves through space faster than light, but quantum waves do not "move." They have no position. The concept of locality is hardly relevant to them. If you actually look at the behavior of particles in 3D space, then MWI is manifestly nonlocal. I am not even claiming it being nonlocal is inherently a flaw, but more that they always claim it is local when you just look at the mathematics and it is not meaningfully local in any sense.
Sean also likes to say misleading statements like MWI is just "taking the Schrodinger equation seriously." This plays into a myth pushed by David Deutsch, which I constantly see this fallacy repeated by MWI believers, which is that the only two interpretations are MWI, which says things always evolve according to the Schrodinger equation, or objective collapse models, which say they do not, and since it's trivial to prove that objective collapse models are not mathematically consistent with quantum mechanics, therefore if you just "take the Schrodinger equation seriously" then you must believe in MWI.
But this is fallacious because objective collapse models are incredibly niche and hardly anyone buys into objective collapse models anyways, except maybe Penrose and his crew these days, but it's literally like <1% of academics. No interpretation is an objective collapse model, because objective collapse models necessarily make different predictions, so they fall under the category of a whole different theoretical model. There are like a couple dozen interpretations in the literature and they all "take the Schrodinger equation seriously." Even Copenhagen does not claim that there is literally a physical collapse but treats it as merely epistemic.
Indeed, all interpretations treat the "collapse" as an epistemic measurement update in some way, including even MWI (as you are merely "realizing what branch you're on"). When it actually comes to interpretations, MWI's competition is other interpretations, not objective collapse theories. Poking holes in objective collapse theories doesn't somehow provide evidence that MWI is correct.
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The world is cruel and ugly. There are plenty of justifiable things to be upset and distraught over. I don't want to hear about those. I want to know what bizarre out of left field takes you have that infuriates you.
I'm still upset about Tenochtitlan falling and being buried. I'm a gringo, I shouldn't have an opinion about Lake Texcoco being drained centuries ago.
People who loudly watch videos on their phone in public spaces or stores/restaurants should be caned.
I don't want to listen to your ignorant ass braying like a fucking mule at some right-wing hack reheating the anti-trans memes he found on Reddit while I'm eating breakfast with my wife. Maybe you should put the phone down and meditate on why you're the only person in this place eating alone.
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I can tell you're not a homeowner.
What the fuck else are people supposed to do with their yard?
If you don't cut the grass, it grows and eventually you'll start getting brush. Not to mention lots of idiots have HOAs which mandate they cut the grass.
Reseed with clover and then plant moss and native flora. Its good for helping out bees and other pollinators and invites other wildlife into your yard if live up against woods like I do. I've seen rabbits, raccoons, deer, flocks of turkey, and even a bobcat once.
HOAs can eat my whole ass.
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The world is cruel and ugly. There are plenty of justifiable things to be upset and distraught over. I don't want to hear about those. I want to know what bizarre out of left field takes you have that infuriates you.
I'm still upset about Tenochtitlan falling and being buried. I'm a gringo, I shouldn't have an opinion about Lake Texcoco being drained centuries ago.
There's a new Tron movie. With Jared Leto in the lead role.
Fuck Jared Leto.
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The world is cruel and ugly. There are plenty of justifiable things to be upset and distraught over. I don't want to hear about those. I want to know what bizarre out of left field takes you have that infuriates you.
I'm still upset about Tenochtitlan falling and being buried. I'm a gringo, I shouldn't have an opinion about Lake Texcoco being drained centuries ago.
Don't send me videos if the background audio is some asshat wheeze-laughing about whatever supposed funny thing is playing. It's never funny and it ruins my interest in watching the shit immediately.
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That was an absolutely fascinating rabbit whole. Thank you so much for explaining!!!
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Loud lawnmowers. Ass hats who maintain the classic American yard. Every Saturday morning on cue, the whole neighborhood erupts into noise. It's so loud.
Everyone in my area has about a quarter acre of land, yet here come the zero turn riding mower guys, mowing their grass too low, every weekend, just to water it the next day.
They are loud, disruptive, and just remind me we are slowly killing the planet every day for vainity yards.
I have a reel mower from the 1950's I found and fixed up. I got a lot of compliments the first summer I used it, it has self shapening blades and works mostly well. Folks were shocked I was using it, one lady stopped and even gsve me a "you get it girl!", like what? It's a quarter acre people, and takes me 30-40 mins. Why do they need giant gas guzzling, louds stinky mowers? After a few years with the reel mower, I did get an electric line trimmer, .. I'm crazy, but sometimes I mow most of my very small lawn with it when I dont want to fix and use my reel mower. It's quiet, it doesnt smell, and I have control to skip over dirt/sparse patches. I can leave areas longer where I see native plants popping up. I feel like im working with the land, not just decimating it.
They ride these giant mowers up and down the street, they mow dirt just the same as they mow field. I literally get triggered everytime I hear one start up, so often, it's a running joke in the house. It's a quarter acre lots here, not baseball fields.
Perfect lawns, but then its just bittersweet growing wild on the edges taking over trees.
I also hate bittersweet. Like, really really hate bittersweet. It kills everything and takes over gardens. Invasive garbage that may seem like a cool plant to the unknowing eye, but it is invasive garbage everyone just looks past as it kills our native trees and plants, suffocating the life forms they parasite off from. I have to stay vigilant to keep it from my yard. It is persistent, it'll tear your house down if you let it.
I hate lawnmowers and bittersweet. These things make me feel distraught.
I agree with you. There's something a little nostalgic about lawnmower noise, but if you live without it for a while it's so much nicer. I don't have lawns at any of my house- crushed coral and desert dirt- but it's been nice to see everyone get irritated with draining gas and fixing carburetors every year and switch to electric mowers which are mutch quieter.
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My favorite ancient culture is only known by the pottery they left behind. There are so many unanswered questions!!!!
I feel this. In my part of the world lived a group of Pre-Columbian archaic people that anthropologists know very little about about aside their burial customs, some stone and bone tools, and the foods they likely ate.
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Invasive species.
My region is absolutely infested with Siberian Elm and Tree Of Heaven (A.K.A., the “semen tree”). You cannot cut them down, because they will resprout like a hydra from the stump. You cannot dig them out, because the smallest root left behind can and will resprout wherever it is, leading to a many-year game of whack-a-mole.
I have near-daily fantasies of going around with a powerful backpack sprayer filled with glyphosate (Round-Up) and an application wand that can extend from 1m to 10m, and hitting everything just as they’re sending nutrients to the roots for winter.
The problem is, Glyphosate is highly restricted to purchase and own in Canada unless you have both the appropriate class of Pesticide Applicator’s License (an agricultural variant, for example) as well as the venue to use it in (own or manage an orchard, for example). Thankfully my family owns an orchard, and I am starting the process for the former.
But still. It’s an absolutely bizarre thing to be obsessing over and I. Just. Cannot. Help. Myself. Every time I drive and see clumps of those disgusting trees, I start to uncontrollably strategize how I could hit them with glyphosate in late September.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Russian thistle. These asshole things pop up all over the yard and driveway and I go around and pull them out of the ground with welding gloves. Sometimes I get stabbed even through welding gloves. I can completely understand why someone would blast a cancer causing chemical across their whole yard. I've been experimenting with everything else but I'm too worried about my dog to do roundup.
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I can tell you're not a homeowner.
What the fuck else are people supposed to do with their yard?
If you don't cut the grass, it grows and eventually you'll start getting brush. Not to mention lots of idiots have HOAs which mandate they cut the grass.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I explained how I do my yard in the comment. I don't let it go crazy, I maintain it. I have made four garden beds here since getting the house, and that's in addition to the four already here. Both for flower and vegetables. I have a potted plant corner, and a "track" where the grass grows low or turns to dirt from my son doing laps around the house and playing baseball in the back. If I was a millionaire (I'd move) I'd like to put stone on the "track" he made because it follows the natural curves of the yard. The front yard is sparse, it's so dry and like sand, I don't have to mow that side, I hit it with the trimmer if it gets wild. I've seeded with clover and a native grass type. I keep a small patch over grown, circling around a tree, maintain it with weeding, and give space back for the insects. It's filled with purple flowers most of the year. A typical lawn care person would just mow it over.
What I'm getting at, is folks with brown grass they still mow weekly. Whether its going to rain or not, weather their grass is long or not, they mow it to check it off their list. Every weekend. Then, if you look, some houses like this, there's invasives just growing everywhere on the edges of their properties. So lazy. To mow ones lawn, fat ass on a riding mower for less than a quarter acre of lawn, just mow it and put it away, while thier tree line suffers with invasives.
My goal is to have no grass, but my son's track and baseball area, and the rest garden. As it stands I only have to mow maybe 40% of my yard, and I'll be damned if I'll fall in line to get a riding mower to kill beneficial plants every weekend, while leaving the harmful ones.
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Have you tried this?
Where I live, native species is brush that will eventually cover my entire house.
Brush that will cover your house is likely not a native.
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This shouldn't be weird, but I'm consistently upset at how dumb the average idiot is.
It's scary how stupid most people are without even realizing it and I hate how I have to suffer for it every day.
Not enough people winning Darwin awards anymore LOL
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Have you tried this?
Where I live, native species is brush that will eventually cover my entire house.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Edit: yes I am trying this right now. I've planted a bunch of native species in one area of my front yard. They seem to be taking well, next summer I will plant some more in a other part. Mulch around the natives helps to keep the weeds and grasses down.
There are often more than one native species of plant. And repairing a yard ecosystem takes time and care and attention. I understand folks have little spare time with full time jobs and whatnot, but an imperfect naturalized yard is better than a sterile grass monoculture that requires a ton of mowing.
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That was an absolutely fascinating rabbit whole. Thank you so much for explaining!!!
You're welcome. I'm still dreading that someone will respond with a "but what about..." though. This is a debate that haunts me in so many other communities, I want to think I can escape it at least a little while.
I got so frustrated at one point that I had an AI make a song about it.
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Brush that will cover your house is likely not a native.
What makes you think that?
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Random thing I was disappointed by recently. I live near a hospital that has a pizza vending machine near the cafeteria. So whenever I have to go to the hospital for appointments and stuff, I like to get some pizza. I went for an appointment a few days ago but the machine was broken so I didn't get to have pizza.
I really wish we'd have gone down the "vending machines everywhere" timeline instead of what we did. I love vending machines.
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Reseed with clover and then plant moss and native flora. Its good for helping out bees and other pollinators and invites other wildlife into your yard if live up against woods like I do. I've seen rabbits, raccoons, deer, flocks of turkey, and even a bobcat once.
HOAs can eat my whole ass.
Man, it's telling how many of you believe things because you never tried them yourselves.
Get out into the real world. Get some experience.
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Edit: yes I am trying this right now. I've planted a bunch of native species in one area of my front yard. They seem to be taking well, next summer I will plant some more in a other part. Mulch around the natives helps to keep the weeds and grasses down.
There are often more than one native species of plant. And repairing a yard ecosystem takes time and care and attention. I understand folks have little spare time with full time jobs and whatnot, but an imperfect naturalized yard is better than a sterile grass monoculture that requires a ton of mowing.
So... I should go through all of that trouble because you don't like hearing lawnmowers?
I'm curious what planet you are from where you think anyone would do that.
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What makes you think that?
Native pants tend to have checks and balances in their environment. Kudzu, eastern honeysuckle, English ivy, vining nightshade, all of them will eat your house if you take them out of their native environment.
