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I don't believe you
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our lab computers ran novell netware, which definitely told me that microsoft wasn't all there was. but yeah, it definitely conditioned an entire generation into only understanding windows.
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yeah but that's fairly recent.
when i was in school in the late 90s it was all microsoft all the time. we had courses specifically on Microsoft^TM^ Word^TM^. that sort of indoctrination isn't visible in the workplace until the people going through it are old enough to work.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I graduated in 2011, and same. My high school had a pretty janky mix of various Dell Inspiron towers, running mostly Windows XP but with a handful of Windows 2000 and ME machines that for some reason (prolly hardware too old) escaped their upgrades. We went through impressively comprehensive MS Office training and even Computer Tech classes (essentially an intro to an intro to computer science where we learned data concepts and built a PC).
A few years later, 90% of those machines had been scrapped, the mandatory courses were all gone and the kids all had cheap crappy Chromebooks. Now any tech courses are just electives and the students are expected to magically know how to use the software they're required to use. (Because "they're young, of course they know it!" Nevermind that they've only used iPads since birth).
Consequently, any class involving a computer, even if it's just word processing for English essays and such, has the teacher taking time out of instruction to show the students how to use the stuff. Otherwise there are problems. It's a sorry state of affairs and a lot more kids are getting left behind when it comes to tech. Google might be the worst thing happening to education now if it weren't for the GOP.
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Can't OpenOffice export to .docx?
please do not use openoffice in 2025
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I graduated in 2011, and same. My high school had a pretty janky mix of various Dell Inspiron towers, running mostly Windows XP but with a handful of Windows 2000 and ME machines that for some reason (prolly hardware too old) escaped their upgrades. We went through impressively comprehensive MS Office training and even Computer Tech classes (essentially an intro to an intro to computer science where we learned data concepts and built a PC).
A few years later, 90% of those machines had been scrapped, the mandatory courses were all gone and the kids all had cheap crappy Chromebooks. Now any tech courses are just electives and the students are expected to magically know how to use the software they're required to use. (Because "they're young, of course they know it!" Nevermind that they've only used iPads since birth).
Consequently, any class involving a computer, even if it's just word processing for English essays and such, has the teacher taking time out of instruction to show the students how to use the stuff. Otherwise there are problems. It's a sorry state of affairs and a lot more kids are getting left behind when it comes to tech. Google might be the worst thing happening to education now if it weren't for the GOP.
i was a ta in uni in 2011-2015 and while ipad babies weren't a thing yet we did definitely have to explain to some people what files were. as far as i understand from my contacts at the university it it's way worse now.
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Best thing I ever saw was an Italian cooking class that sent recipes as an ODT, and then 20 minutes later as a DOCX as an afterthought for the Americans.
Why not pdf?
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Yes. I know, it's more popular than open office but I've used open office for so long now I don't want to switch.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Do you my guy but running an office suite that hasn't been patched in 11 years is a major security risk. (This is assuming you aren't exclusively creating and saving documents, but are also opening documents you recieve or download).
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our lab computers ran novell netware, which definitely told me that microsoft wasn't all there was. but yeah, it definitely conditioned an entire generation into only understanding windows.
To be fair, NetWare again was the product - microsoft didn't have anything worthy of respect until much later (and I can't remember if AD was any good in the early 2000s!)
NT4s Lanmanager was rubbish - NetWare was light years ahead as a directory service. I'd argue the institutions simply had the right tools for the job.
You are right about the hostile defaults / corpos getting into education to capture a generation, of course (and institutions want to be relevant to the market rather than to the principles or foundations, which is a shame)
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please do not use openoffice in 2025
Honestly I keep mixing up Openoffice and Libreoffice.
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.tex is a source format, not a presentation format, and as such should not be valid in a submission field.
they should take .ps though.
Hmmm, a compress folder full of the .tex and the resources.
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Hmmm, a compress folder full of the .tex and the resources.
i'm not sending anything that can be edited. last time i did that as a consultant they stripped our company logo out of the documents.
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Do you my guy but running an office suite that hasn't been patched in 11 years is a major security risk. (This is assuming you aren't exclusively creating and saving documents, but are also opening documents you recieve or download).
Actually now that you mention it I don't think I downloaded an ODT documenting forever in a day I mean probably decades.
But you are right of course there is a security risk but fron what I understand it is being patched just not actively updated?
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Do you remember when radicals were trying to cancel RMS because of him merely defending some accused person.
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Can't OpenOffice export to .docx?
I mean it completely fucked my resume when I exported it but I was being fancy with grayscale
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Everyone knows the only acceptable formats are .pdf and .tex, everything else should be shunned out of society.
.pdf can contain malware
But the entire paper in a .jpeg would be hilarious -
.pdf can contain malware
But the entire paper in a .jpeg would be hilariousAny format can really contain malware
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.tex is a source format, not a presentation format, and as such should not be valid in a submission field.
they should take .ps though.
Dvi file then.
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To be fair, that's about all there was... Corels (?) WordPerfect was ass, for sure. Office 97 was freaking amazing.
Although, I was a product of the time as well.
I used Applix on Unix / Linux and it was fine.
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Actually now that you mention it I don't think I downloaded an ODT documenting forever in a day I mean probably decades.
But you are right of course there is a security risk but fron what I understand it is being patched just not actively updated?
downloaded an ODT documenting
Doesn't really matter what document format it is, I wouldn't dare using OO anymore. Maybe they still patch critical CVEs, and maybe no one even attempts exploits because it's basically just in maintenance mode, but you never know...
Change isn't fun, but I don't think that UI-wise Libreoffice is such a big leap?
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Okay, I just want to say I blame schools for Microsoft's monopoly on personal computing. School sysadmins are always dazzled by the shiny looking gifts that Microsoft gives them, ensuring the next generation of Microsoft useds is ready.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes I really liked the "microsoft excel and spreadsheets" class everyone had to take for 1-2 whole years. The tools designed for us to learn basics within weeks and discover features naturally over time.
I mean imagine how many negative side effects on education there would be if we just spent one or two weeks learning KStars or Geogebra or Kalzium.
Don't worry tho cause with microsoft backing openai I am sure every student will be given a set of chatgpt premium accounts to "help" them in their learning. Universities are already doing it en masse.
You lose some you lose some.
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I once failed a uni assignment, because the teachers assistant wrote remarks on a pdf in a way that's only viewable in adobe's products.
She failed us because "we ignored her remarks". Had no idea they were there.
Tbh it's probably less of an Adobe problem and more due to the absolute mess that is PDF annotations.
Despite being a defined open standard, most free PDF viewers either don't support them (zathura etc), or fuck them up (GNOME evince). Even some of the viewers that do support them like Okular need extra configuration.
Unironically Firefox as a PDF viewer actually has the best support for PDF annotations.
The state of PDF Readers on Linux - Discussion - It's FOSS Community - https://itsfoss.community/t/the-state-of-pdf-readers-on-linux/12798
