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A metaphor for capitalism?

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    I have an idea for a new type of horrible animal byproduct farm

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      Am I having a stroke?

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      Lmfao, it's definitely just you

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        I have an idea for a new type of horrible animal byproduct farm

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        Pretty sure what we already do to collect spider silk on an industrial scale is worse than this.

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        • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

          Or a metaphor for socialism... lacking the economic freedom to buy more silk, the spider couldn't escape an artificially designed system run by a central authority that didn't predict this scenario, because it isn't feasible for a central authority to predict every scenario.

          Or maybe, given that the looks like the glass is outside on the ground so maybe the spider was put into the glass on purpose to make the photo? So the spider was sent to a gulag to die because it wasn't ideologically pure enough.

          Or maybe it's just a spider in a glass and you can stretch a metaphor in any direction you want.

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          Your problem is that you didn't present just a critique of Socialism, you veered into praising Capitalism unnecessarily (which means a new system was introduced uncritically).

          The metaphor for socialism would be that the one party controls the means of production, and that under true socialism there'd be a pile of dead spiders (heros and villains of the revolutionary period), and the web (which defines this epoch's age of technology) would escape the glass.

          Possibly the most educated spider from the party's politburo would be able to step out of the glass... They would then climb into the next glass and try to foment a revolution there.

          But all of the above is still dealing in an archiac propagandists ghost of 1950s Socialism (which wasn't even like that to begin with)... And many parts of it are in fact a better critique of modern Capitalism with its industrial powerhouses forming monopolies and cartels interoperating with governments, and the culture industry to press people into further wealth disparity and corrupt democracy until it simulates a one party set of state Capitalist values.

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          • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

            It's possible some dumbass got into power and had some goons put the spider into the glass and put tariffs on importing silk. The spider is dead and we'll never know if the spider would be dead had there been a competent in charge. But socialists are 100% certain the spider was going to die anyway because they believe all spiders will inevitably die because some weirdo with a big beard said something about spiders a couple hundred years ago.

            Metaphorically speaking, of course.

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            No, Marx said Capitalism was a necessary stage of Socialism. It's not that it dies, it's necessary and becomes Socialism.

            Marx for instance would have disagreed with Mao/China's initial attempt to jump straight to Socialism... And that mistaken attempt was born out by history (as being a mistake), as it ultimately failed, and China had to open its self to becoming a Socialist Market Economy (in order to make up for its missing the Capitalist steps of becoming inevitably a Socialist society).

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              Wait, it works for you, too?

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                Pretty sure what we already do to collect spider silk on an industrial scale is worse than this.

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                What do we do?

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                  What do we do?

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                  https://youtu.be/aLSGBQUA8l0

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                  • dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                    Can't they just climb the glass?

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                    I'm sure the spider tried

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                      Is it half full or half empty?

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                      More than half empty and less than half full

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                        More than half empty and less than half full

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                        That’s a half truth at best

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                          It's also the author of it, so it would definitely belong

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                          More art galleries need to stuff and display the artists corpse alongside their work.

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                            No, Marx said Capitalism was a necessary stage of Socialism. It's not that it dies, it's necessary and becomes Socialism.

                            Marx for instance would have disagreed with Mao/China's initial attempt to jump straight to Socialism... And that mistaken attempt was born out by history (as being a mistake), as it ultimately failed, and China had to open its self to becoming a Socialist Market Economy (in order to make up for its missing the Capitalist steps of becoming inevitably a Socialist society).

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                            There's a letter towards the end of his life where he speculates about Russia, specifically, skipping the capitalist stage because of cultural reasons.

                            Arising from a capitalist and industrial system is less of a requirement and more of what he considers to be the most likely scenario. You could, for example, in theory have a peasant revolution but you'd either need to attract industrial expertise to modernize your factories or reinvent a lot of wheels.

                            And, of course, Marxism isn't the only socialism.

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                              https://youtu.be/aLSGBQUA8l0

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                              Apparently it's knocked out with carbon dioxide?

                              Still pretty creepy, and not because of the spider.

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                                https://youtu.be/aLSGBQUA8l0

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                                That was truly disturbing to see. I'm not sure why but I did not like that at all.

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                                  They have horse on the cob now?

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                                  Get in the god-damn ship, everything's on the cob!

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                                    Majority rule don't work in mental institutions

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                                      Your problem is that you didn't present just a critique of Socialism, you veered into praising Capitalism unnecessarily (which means a new system was introduced uncritically).

                                      The metaphor for socialism would be that the one party controls the means of production, and that under true socialism there'd be a pile of dead spiders (heros and villains of the revolutionary period), and the web (which defines this epoch's age of technology) would escape the glass.

                                      Possibly the most educated spider from the party's politburo would be able to step out of the glass... They would then climb into the next glass and try to foment a revolution there.

                                      But all of the above is still dealing in an archiac propagandists ghost of 1950s Socialism (which wasn't even like that to begin with)... And many parts of it are in fact a better critique of modern Capitalism with its industrial powerhouses forming monopolies and cartels interoperating with governments, and the culture industry to press people into further wealth disparity and corrupt democracy until it simulates a one party set of state Capitalist values.

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                                      Jesus. It's a fuckin spider in a glass and you just turned into a thesis lol.

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                                        That’s a half truth at best

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                                        This thread is wild

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                                          Pretty sure what we already do to collect spider silk on an industrial scale is worse than this.

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                                          ok, hear he out, we make the cup so it's tall enough for them to make silk to escape, but short enough so it's only a mild inconvenience for them. less labour than current system and easier in the spiders.

                                          problem is we don't get a long single thread but just bundles of nets which can be spun into threads.

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