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  • P [email protected]

    I want a Tails-like LiveUSB OS like tails, but without the tor reliance. Does anyone have a suggestion? Heads is dead, last release 2018, but it resembles what I am looking for.

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    OP, could you please properly vocalize what you actually want/need?

    If you don't know how, consider at least to answer the following:

    • Do you need it to be amnesiac? The very thing that defines Tails*.
    • What's wrong with Tor? Is your threat model so paranoid that you (somehow) don't even trust Tor? Or, are you not in favor of its (relatively) low bandwidth? Or, is privacy and/or security not even a thing you seek after to begin with? Or, at least not beyond what your average distro provides already*.
    • What do you intend to do with it? Daily drive it? If so, do you need persistence?
    • What does "Tails without Tor reliance" provide/offer you beyond a LiveUSB from any other distro? Or, rather, what do you hope it will provide/offer you?

    FWIW, I'm afraid we might be dealing with a classic XY problem. Hopefully I'm just mistaken...

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    • J [email protected]

      OP, could you please properly vocalize what you actually want/need?

      If you don't know how, consider at least to answer the following:

      • Do you need it to be amnesiac? The very thing that defines Tails*.
      • What's wrong with Tor? Is your threat model so paranoid that you (somehow) don't even trust Tor? Or, are you not in favor of its (relatively) low bandwidth? Or, is privacy and/or security not even a thing you seek after to begin with? Or, at least not beyond what your average distro provides already*.
      • What do you intend to do with it? Daily drive it? If so, do you need persistence?
      • What does "Tails without Tor reliance" provide/offer you beyond a LiveUSB from any other distro? Or, rather, what do you hope it will provide/offer you?

      FWIW, I'm afraid we might be dealing with a classic XY problem. Hopefully I'm just mistaken...

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      Do you need it to be amnesiac? The very thing that defines Tails*.

      Yes. A persistent storage feature would be nice but isn't a requirement.

      What’s wrong with Tor? Is your threat model so paranoid that you (somehow) don’t even trust Tor? Or, are you not in favor of its (relatively) low bandwidth? Or, is privacy and/or security not even a thing you seek after to begin with? Or, at least not beyond what your average distro provides already*.

      The reason I don't want to use Tor is because I will only connect to plain web websites where I don't care if they know my IP. I also find that CloudFlare and other services can block Tor which sometimes causes issues with my work.

      What do you intend to do with it? Daily drive it? If so, do you need persistence?

      I mainly plan on isolating certain browser-based work I'm doing with other work on my computer. As I said before, persistence would be nice but is not necessary.

      What does “Tails without Tor reliance” provide/offer you beyond a LiveUSB from any other distro? Or, rather, what do you hope it will provide/offer you?

      I hope it would offer me a highly hardened environment to do work in, without the requirement to set it up every time on other liveusb OSes.

      To put this all together, I want an amnesiac live USB hardened(browser, kernel) environment that does not use Tor.

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      • T [email protected]

        Given the TOR part is kinda the point of tails you may wish to expand on what exactly a "tails like live os without tor" looks like.

        The standard Mint iso will boot into a live session with no persistence, click on network icon to join tge wifi and away you go. You can setup a script to install stuff that isnt on the stock build (pretty sure firefox is there but a vpn config for example).

        Without a use case description that sounds like what you're asking for.

        I'm sure the other distros that offer live usbs will be the same.

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        I would like an already hardened environment from boot. That includes the kernel hardening and browser hardening that Tor has.

        I get what you're saying, a live USB does 80% of that with a bit more work, but I would still like to find a solution to this out there.

        If there isn't one, I'm ready to accept that and come up with my own solution.

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          but without the tor reliance.

          What's wrong with TOR?

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          It's frequently blocked by CloudFlare and other "web security" services. I find that I don't need the anonymity that it provides as much as I need working websites.

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          • J [email protected]

            OP, could you please properly vocalize what you actually want/need?

            If you don't know how, consider at least to answer the following:

            • Do you need it to be amnesiac? The very thing that defines Tails*.
            • What's wrong with Tor? Is your threat model so paranoid that you (somehow) don't even trust Tor? Or, are you not in favor of its (relatively) low bandwidth? Or, is privacy and/or security not even a thing you seek after to begin with? Or, at least not beyond what your average distro provides already*.
            • What do you intend to do with it? Daily drive it? If so, do you need persistence?
            • What does "Tails without Tor reliance" provide/offer you beyond a LiveUSB from any other distro? Or, rather, what do you hope it will provide/offer you?

            FWIW, I'm afraid we might be dealing with a classic XY problem. Hopefully I'm just mistaken...

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            I appreciate your attempt to help, but I do also realize that what I'm asking for is rather niche and may not exist.

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            • P [email protected]

              Do you need it to be amnesiac? The very thing that defines Tails*.

              Yes. A persistent storage feature would be nice but isn't a requirement.

              What’s wrong with Tor? Is your threat model so paranoid that you (somehow) don’t even trust Tor? Or, are you not in favor of its (relatively) low bandwidth? Or, is privacy and/or security not even a thing you seek after to begin with? Or, at least not beyond what your average distro provides already*.

              The reason I don't want to use Tor is because I will only connect to plain web websites where I don't care if they know my IP. I also find that CloudFlare and other services can block Tor which sometimes causes issues with my work.

              What do you intend to do with it? Daily drive it? If so, do you need persistence?

              I mainly plan on isolating certain browser-based work I'm doing with other work on my computer. As I said before, persistence would be nice but is not necessary.

              What does “Tails without Tor reliance” provide/offer you beyond a LiveUSB from any other distro? Or, rather, what do you hope it will provide/offer you?

              I hope it would offer me a highly hardened environment to do work in, without the requirement to set it up every time on other liveusb OSes.

              To put this all together, I want an amnesiac live USB hardened(browser, kernel) environment that does not use Tor.

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              Thanks OP for the clarification!

              Unfortunately, I don't think I really help ya out here. However, I do wonder: Would a solution involving the (so-called) unsafe browser of Tails satisfy you?

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                Thanks OP for the clarification!

                Unfortunately, I don't think I really help ya out here. However, I do wonder: Would a solution involving the (so-called) unsafe browser of Tails satisfy you?

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                Is that browser hardened to the extent the tor browser is? I looked this up and have seen conflicting reports. If it is, that would probably be a viable solution.

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                • P [email protected]

                  I want a Tails-like LiveUSB OS like tails, but without the tor reliance. Does anyone have a suggestion? Heads is dead, last release 2018, but it resembles what I am looking for.

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                  Basically if you don't want Tor reliance it's surely that you are not that privacy focused in your use case :)? So there is not really a point of using live/disposable os..
                  But if you still want to, use any Linux live/testing USB installer
                  Linux mint, fedora and more provide it 😉

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                  • P [email protected]

                    Is that browser hardened to the extent the tor browser is? I looked this up and have seen conflicting reports. If it is, that would probably be a viable solution.

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                    Honestly, I'm not familiar with the specifics. Can't help you out further. Wish ya good luck!

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                      Honestly, I'm not familiar with the specifics. Can't help you out further. Wish ya good luck!

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                      Yes, I'll look into how hardened that unsafe browser is, because that would be an ideal solution for me. Thank you very much.

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