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  • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

    AI Summary:

    Overview:

    • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
    • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
    • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
    • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
    • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
    • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
    J This user is from outside of this forum
    J This user is from outside of this forum
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    wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Ruh roh. Too late though.

    Friendship ended with Firefox,❎
    Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

    cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC skankhunt42@lemmy.caS woelkchen@lemmy.worldW U 4 Replies Last reply
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    • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

      AI Summary:

      Overview:

      • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
      • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
      • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
      • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
      • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
      • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
      H This user is from outside of this forum
      H This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote on last edited by
      #4

      I’m eagerly awaiting the new version but I already like it. They now admit that they are sharing and sometimes selling private data (anonymized or not, same thing).

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      • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

        AI Summary:

        Overview:

        • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
        • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
        • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
        • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
        • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
        • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
        zak@lemmy.worldZ This user is from outside of this forum
        zak@lemmy.worldZ This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote on last edited by
        #5

        Great, but a web browser still does not need terms of service. There's no ongoing relationship between the user and the creator of the browser, at least, there shouldn't be unless the user signs up for additional optional services.

        It's great if Mozilla wants to offer some optional services users can opt in to, and those services probably need terms. I use Firefox Sync, though I've started to reconsider that given the recent fuss. The browser itself? I'll move to a fork first, and stop recommending Firefox to others.

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        • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

          AI Summary:

          Overview:

          • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
          • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
          • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
          • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
          • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
          • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
          B This user is from outside of this forum
          B This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote on last edited by
          #6

          The simple way to deal with this is through extensions. Collect anonymized data through an extension, let the user decide to opt-out if they want.

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          • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

            AI Summary:

            Overview:

            • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
            • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
            • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
            • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
            • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
            • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
            justz@lemmy.worldJ This user is from outside of this forum
            justz@lemmy.worldJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            wrote on last edited by
            #7

            Installed DuckDuckGo browser as soon as I saw the news the other day.

            woelkchen@lemmy.worldW 1 Reply Last reply
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            • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

              AI Summary:

              Overview:

              • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
              • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
              • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
              • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
              • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
              • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
              L This user is from outside of this forum
              L This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote on last edited by
              #8

              Is there a way to generate fake data to feed to Firefox with an addon?

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                Is there a way to generate fake data to feed to Firefox with an addon?

                B This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote on last edited by
                #9

                You're probably just better going with a fork of FF that has all that nonsense stripped out.

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                • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

                  AI Summary:

                  Overview:

                  • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
                  • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
                  • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
                  • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
                  • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
                  • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
                  cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
                  cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #10

                  Brodie thinks that they still let themselves some wiggle room for ""selling"" user data.

                  ~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~

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                    Ruh roh. Too late though.

                    Friendship ended with Firefox,❎
                    Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

                    cosmiccleric@lemmy.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #11

                    I just switched as well, though when trying to import bookmarks it hangs KDE as a whole for hours, for some reason.

                    ~This~ ~comment~ ~is~ ~licensed~ ~under~ ~CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0~

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                    • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

                      AI Summary:

                      Overview:

                      • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
                      • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
                      • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
                      • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
                      • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
                      • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
                      P This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      Mozilla says that “there are a number of places where we collect and share some data with our partners” so that Firefox can be “commercially viable,” but it adds that it spells those out in its privacy notice and works to strip data of potentially identifying information or share it in aggregate.

                      Sounds like they've already been selling (or trading) data and this whole debacle is a way to retroactively cover their asses.

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                      • justz@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                        Installed DuckDuckGo browser as soon as I saw the news the other day.

                        woelkchen@lemmy.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
                        woelkchen@lemmy.worldW This user is from outside of this forum
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                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        Installed DuckDuckGo browser as soon as I saw the news the other day.

                        Oh cool, yet another Chromium variant. That's going to be an actual change for the better.

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                        • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

                          AI Summary:

                          Overview:

                          • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
                          • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
                          • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
                          • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
                          • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
                          • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
                          doctortofu@reddthat.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                          doctortofu@reddthat.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #14

                          That's good and I'm genuinely glad they're trying to clarify it, but it proves yet again that their top management is out of touch with reality and their users: somebody (most likely more than one person actually) had to sign off on these changes and the message they sent out - this whole thing could have been avoided if they understood their users better (and/or if they actually cared nore about what users think).

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                            Ruh roh. Too late though.

                            Friendship ended with Firefox,❎
                            Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

                            skankhunt42@lemmy.caS This user is from outside of this forum
                            skankhunt42@lemmy.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #15

                            I've already moved most of my stuff to forks or different software altogether.

                            Firefox -> LibreWolf and Waterfox

                            Thunderbird -> Evolution

                            I'm still trying to decide if I want to move off k9mail on mobile to something else. I probably will but I'm not sure what at this point.

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                              Ruh roh. Too late though.

                              Friendship ended with Firefox,❎
                              Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #16

                              Friendship ended with Firefox,❎ Librewolf is my new best friend. ✅

                              A big problem with such forks (same with packages made by Linux distributors) is that there is a delay between official FF release and the release of the corresponding update of the fork. 99% of the time this doesn't matter much but when there is a severe security issue, the patch needs to be available ASAP.

                              Past enshittifications of Firefox could be disabled by users. Users who know what to disable don't need such forks then.

                              I'm not yet clear what Mozilla even intends. Is it just an adjustment of language of things that are already in FF and can be disabled easily? If so, I just keep the following shit disabled and benefit from earlier update releases.

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                              • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

                                AI Summary:

                                Overview:

                                • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
                                • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
                                • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
                                • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
                                • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
                                • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
                                H This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #17

                                What’s the best alternative on Mac?

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                                  What’s the best alternative on Mac?

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                                  You could try zen browser

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                                    You could try zen browser

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                                    It looks like Arc but built on Firefox’s engine? That’s sick. I’ll give it a look.

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                                      What’s the best alternative on Mac?

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                                      mullvad

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                                      • xatolos@reddthat.comX [email protected]

                                        AI Summary:

                                        Overview:

                                        • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
                                        • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
                                        • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
                                        • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
                                        • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
                                        • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
                                        max_p@lemmy.max-p.meM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #21

                                        They have no business collecting any data in the first place. If I wanted my data collected I'd be using Chrome like everyone else. I'm not choosing to use their buggy ass inferior and slower browser for any of Mozilla's services, I'm choosing it because I want to support non-Chromium browsers and regain my privacy.

                                        There's no point whatsoever to using Firefox if it's just a worse Chrome.

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                                          It looks like Arc but built on Firefox’s engine? That’s sick. I’ll give it a look.

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                                          #22

                                          I downloaded it and signed into to Sync and i gotta be honest it’s a little half baked. I think I’ll stick with Firefox for now until it leaves beta.

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