Online ‘Pedophile Hunters’ Are Growing More Violent — and Going Viral: With the rise of loosely moderated social media platforms, a fringe vigilante movement is experiencing a dangerous evolution.
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I took a general comment and said something very specific. What you saw as dual meaning, I saw as one. OP did not make their intended meaning clear.
Maybe we can be better than Reddit and be more charitable with each other here, yeah?
be more charitable
Says the guy who said I shit on his birthday cake lmao. I'm not offended btw, I thought it was hilarious. But like, I think we're more like brothers who pick on each other now. I'm sorry, but that's just the rules. I don't make the rules. I just think them up and write them down.
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It should be illegal if they do not call the police afterwards they are done with their personal justice
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I don’t have a problem with actual pedophiles that are caught in these dragnets.
My problem arises from the lack of rigorous and well-documented investigation into the target before shite starts popping off. As the article pointed out, there is nothing wrong with a 22yo dating an 18yo. And the problem here is a sense of vindictiveness trying to manufacture targets where not all targets are guilty of pedophilia.
So: you want to take a pipe wrench to warm over a pedophile? Make sure there is oodles of evidence that clearly and unambiguously makes the person a pedophile, and sure as shite I will look the other way. But the problem is that there is no self-reinforcing framework in place within the vigilante system to ensure and enforce this threshold of evidence. And without this system, innocent people are going to get hurt or killed.
You and the people upvoting you are gravely mistaken.
This isn't about protecting the innocent.
It is about inflicting unaccountable violence.
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Oh I get it. So this stuff gets pushed on left wing spaces. Then the left wing adopts this ethos where they say "pedo hunters aren't good" then the right goes "oh you're all pedophiles" and then the divide is bigger
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Pedo accusations don't come from concerns for kids but from enpowerement to do violence and the ability to righteously attack.
This inversion from concern for others to desire to cause harm through paranoia derived justifications is becoming a real problem.
If someone steps in to stop them attacking the innocent they will claim those people are defending pedos.
We're going to have the stupidest of wars on our hands.
There's a reason an insane number of the people who publicly attack pedophillia are in fact pedophiles.
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Predator catching channels are important. Should not be censored. Just cause a few channel might had been acting fascist like towards minorities with intention to degrade trans people. Which from many of the channels I seen, they seem to be strictly going after adults going after minors on the internet. If any are intentionally going after just trans people or other minorities just because, they use it as an excuse to harass it's rare.
Are there even any actual specific channels and videos that even point out that something like this is even happening in these predator catching movements?
I will meet you some of you here. If they are not working with law enforcement and are just harassing people, that is not ok. I'm against this native that's going against predator catching channels as a whole because it is so out of touch with reality. Instead of calling a whole movement violent, call out the 'specific" offending channel. If you can't do that, what does that say about your narative.
Anyone that thinks that they should all* be censored, get ready to censor gaming channels and played heavily while you're at it. Plenty of gamers online said some rascist, and homophobic things. I'm not changing my mind on this.
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Oh. They're just gonna call people pedo and attack them even though they're not. It's extremely obvious.
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I don’t have a problem with actual pedophiles that are caught in these dragnets.
My problem arises from the lack of rigorous and well-documented investigation into the target before shite starts popping off. As the article pointed out, there is nothing wrong with a 22yo dating an 18yo. And the problem here is a sense of vindictiveness trying to manufacture targets where not all targets are guilty of pedophilia.
So: you want to take a pipe wrench to warm over a pedophile? Make sure there is oodles of evidence that clearly and unambiguously makes the person a pedophile, and sure as shite I will look the other way. But the problem is that there is no self-reinforcing framework in place within the vigilante system to ensure and enforce this threshold of evidence. And without this system, innocent people are going to get hurt or killed.
I'm going go assume from your instance you're not American, but the big flaw in your logic is if you come after me with a pipe, I'm absolutely within my rights to put holes into you until you stop moving.
Vigalante justice is going to get the people who think they're "doing a good thing" killed, and with zero consequences to the pedos who shoot them.
Perhaps a more adult, informed, nuanced take is of use here?
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This is part of the reason why casual accusations of pedophilia have always disturbed me. Because it can lead even people who in most other circumstances would be considered pro-justice and pro-human rights into mini-Mengeles.
And I've seen people just throw out the accusation without even prompt or justification, just because they hate somebody (maybe for other good reasons) and want to see if it sticks. It's fucked up.
Then there's other cases like that one where that 18-year-old got jumped for being baited into going on a date with another 18-year-old, while under the impression that she was... at least 18. A couple of people posted about that already.
Yeah, I got accusations thrown at me after letting a trans lady crash at my place when she came out and her ex-wife kicked her out of the house. Everybody was an adult, but the ex-wife found a friend in the TERFs, and they think trans rights is pedo apologism.
I got molested by my babysitter when I was 5, and it was incredibly infuriating to hear people say it was the same as a fucking divorce.
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Ok? How does that change my statement that they are a different kind of fascist? Keep in mind my point is entirely focused on the ideology part of the political ideology whereas you are talking about a salute. How does an arm motion change the policy goals which aren't the same as what Nazis support? What policy goal can you derive from an arm motion to begin with?
They are still evil they are just a different kind of evil. Not all fascists are nazis. The fact that one guy did a nazi salute twice doesn't change project 2025,
That's an extremely narrow point that isn't worth bothering with, because nobody is confused about what you mean when you call them "nazis".
Also it's not one guy doing a zeig heil, it's become a trend amongst them now. They have invited the comparison openly, and anybody getting all pissy about "you just call everything you don't like nazi" is just a crybully who's deliberately wasting your time. At this point anybody turned off of your cause by your use of the word "nazi" isn't your ally in the first place.
Like sure they're not exactly the same as the NSDAP, but the category still applies, and it's not worth anybody's time arguing over the exact nature of the type of fascism they have, because "nazi" does the job and again, nobody is confused by it, because the original nazis are all resting in piss.
Do you have any argument as to why this matters, in any way, at all?
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Thanks for pointing this out. I usually read articles on mobile and was able to find a feature I didn't know about.
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Pedo accusations don't come from concerns for kids but from enpowerement to do violence and the ability to righteously attack.
This inversion from concern for others to desire to cause harm through paranoia derived justifications is becoming a real problem.
If someone steps in to stop them attacking the innocent they will claim those people are defending pedos.
We're going to have the stupidest of wars on our hands.
This.
Plus it's self defeating. Too often when they find real predators, the evidence is tainted by the way it was collected by idiots who have no idea what they're doing.
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Oh. They're just gonna call people pedo and attack them even though they're not. It's extremely obvious.
Just prove you're not a pedo and they will leave you alone.
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Yeah, I got accusations thrown at me after letting a trans lady crash at my place when she came out and her ex-wife kicked her out of the house. Everybody was an adult, but the ex-wife found a friend in the TERFs, and they think trans rights is pedo apologism.
I got molested by my babysitter when I was 5, and it was incredibly infuriating to hear people say it was the same as a fucking divorce.
Disgusting.
Sadly as a transwoman I have heard "You should have left the kids alone!" From ex-friends who were Pro-Trans until it became "Support transpeople or support Trump"
I was disgusted, a former ally suddenly and without evidence starting seeing his many transfriends as paedos
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Sadly there are a lot of weirdos who think ANY AGE GAP AT ALL is basically the same as pedophilia
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ya it does seem to be a comings from a group of people who are overly obsessed with CP, like way more than the average person is.. might be a bit of projection on their part methinks
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In Austria the 'pedophile hunters' targeted gay men who were not pedophiles. If 'paedophile hunters' would actually care about their care, they would storm the next church...
The Church actually has a lower rate of child abuse than public schools....
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16 is the age of consent in most countries. Even a surprisingly large amount of US states have it there.
In mine the age of consent is "16" or within 5 years of your current age. Whichever is lower.
You'd still get a lot of weird looks, social ostracization, and mean comments but it'd be legal.
We actually had a case recently where a 16 year old had sex with a 45 year old in the latter's van and the police couldn't do anything because according to her she consented and 16 is within the age of consent here.
Raising concerns about whether the age should be raised. But no one expects anything to be done about it. I mean this state has a lot of Republicans in charge and I'm sure some of their mistresses are about to turn 16 themselves...
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Just prove you're not a pedo and they will leave you alone.
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Oh I get it. So this stuff gets pushed on left wing spaces. Then the left wing adopts this ethos where they say "pedo hunters aren't good" then the right goes "oh you're all pedophiles" and then the divide is bigger
Poorly regulated pedo hunters that can end up ruining genuine law enforcement efforts at catching pedos aren't good.
