Iran extends ban on dog-walking for ‘public order, safety and health’
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Wtf Iran? Anyone from Iran here willing to comment? The article pretty much sums it up as for religious reasons. But my question is, why now? Anything else happening that triggered this?
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Wtf Iran? Anyone from Iran here willing to comment? The article pretty much sums it up as for religious reasons. But my question is, why now? Anything else happening that triggered this?
According to Islam Q&A
Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qirats from his hasanat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.
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What about cats ?
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This particular flavor of religious absurdity is new to me.
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What about cats ?
They're fine, prophet approved, but good luck walking them on a leash
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This particular flavor of religious absurdity is new to me.
Banning abortions is also a religious absurdity, and a more dangerous one. After all, no one died from not having a dog.
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Banning abortions is also a religious absurdity, and a more dangerous one. After all, no one died from not having a dog.
Tell that to people who need working dogs
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According to Islam Q&A
Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qirats from his hasanat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.
That’s a bit wild. I’m from the Middle East and there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.
There are rules about not keeping dogs where you pray but it’s a pretty extremist stance to forbid keeping dogs. I have some pretty religious family and even some of those have dogs.
If you search on google for Islam rules you’re gonna find a lot of Westboro Baptist Church kinda sources that have nothing to do with how normal people live.
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Banning abortions is also a religious absurdity, and a more dangerous one. After all, no one died from not having a dog.
Everyone who hasn't owned a dog has died.
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They're fine, prophet approved, but good luck walking them on a leash
Many cats are able to be leashed trained.
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That’s a bit wild. I’m from the Middle East and there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.
There are rules about not keeping dogs where you pray but it’s a pretty extremist stance to forbid keeping dogs. I have some pretty religious family and even some of those have dogs.
If you search on google for Islam rules you’re gonna find a lot of Westboro Baptist Church kinda sources that have nothing to do with how normal people live.
there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.
Perhaps you've got cause and effect mixed up
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Everyone who hasn't owned a dog has died.
I'm dead?
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Banning abortions is also a religious absurdity, and a more dangerous one. After all, no one died from not having a dog.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You smelled the propaganda, bravo!
And in North Korea, only one haircut style is allowed! Those weird oppressive governments do the weirdest things, so wacky what they're concerned about, thank God we have our FREEDOMS!
You'll notice there are zero citations to backup any of the claims, they reference one newspaper but if you try to find that article all you'll find is the guardian claiming it exists. It also references 75 lawmakers from 2021, and the only reference I could find for that is this uncited quote: "According to media reports, 75 MPs, or one quarter of parliamentarians, recently signed a text entitled “Support for the rights of the population in relation to harmful and dangerous animals”.
This comes from theinsightinternational.com, an English only online publication claiming to deliver "unbiased reporting on events and developments in the Middle East and the Kurdistan Region". Who needs sources!? 75 MPs said this on social media, trust.
Don't get me wrong, Islamic fundamentalism and aversion to dogs is real, Iran's Islamic laws are suppressive and awful, but before you start worrying about what local laws they may or may not be discussing on social media, do a quick Google maps search for pet store and you try to figure out how many people have dogs as pets in Tehran... Then remember two reporters were shot by rubber bullets last night in LA.
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Tell that to people who need working dogs
That's like a whopping 0.01% of dog owners.
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there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.
Perhaps you've got cause and effect mixed up
Yeah I don’t think you understood my comment.
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Yeah I don’t think you understood my comment.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I think I did. Let me rephrase mine, maybe my point of view is better illustrated this way:
(A) there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.
(B) we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous, because there's not much love for dogs
How does one discern the causal relationship in these cases?
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I think I did. Let me rephrase mine, maybe my point of view is better illustrated this way:
(A) there’s not much love for dogs because we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous.
(B) we have a lot of stray dogs that are legit scary and dangerous, because there's not much love for dogs
How does one discern the causal relationship in these cases?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]So there’s people keeping pet dogs also in the middle east, which are very cute if you’re a dog person.
It’s more difficult to keep dogs than e.g. in most of Europe, because outside of winter you can’t really take them on walks during the day at temperatures of up to 40-50°C and most cities are incredibly car centered due to the high temperatures and the lack of public transportation.
Therefore it’s sadly not really a recreational activity unless you live in the countryside. That’s why people can’t really build positive associations with dogs.
Of course if there’d be funding to bring the strays to shelters, vaccinate & track them, do birth control, build and maintain dog parks etc. people would lose the association over time and see only the good boys being cute. In that sense I don’t think it matters how we got to this point or wonder whether it’s always been like that.
But all of that has nothing to do with religion, and my point was that the Iranian regime is just doing extremist stuff (to the surprise of no one).
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According to Islam Q&A
Islam forbids Muslims to keep dogs, and the punishment for that is that the one who does that loses one or two qirats from his hasanat (good deeds) each day. An exception has been made in the case of keeping dogs for hunting, guarding livestock and guarding crops.
This is sourced from a commentary on several hadiths Hadiths are the life the writings of the life that Prophet Muhammad had lived
They are used to distinguish what is right or wrong, and Hadiths by themselves can not be proven correct as many of them were written many years after Muhammad had died
These commentaries provide interpretations of what has been written by scholars within Hadiths, and these interpretations are often a common sore spot of debates
You'll find many disagreements due to these interpretations, and you can actually see this in your source:
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
“With regard to dogs, there are three views among the scholars:
- – That they are tahir (pure), even their saliva . This is the view of Malik.
- – That they are najis (impure), even their hair. This is the view of al-Shafi'i and is one of the two views narrated from Ahmad.
- – Their hair is tahir but their saliva is najis. This is the view of Abu Haneefah and of Ahmad in the other report narrated from him.
The Qur'an itself represents every creation of god as equal and to treat them with kindness as if they were you
This is also why Eid Al Adha can also be interpreted as a festival of sacrifice of what is important, and not just animal sacrifice. You can sacrifice your money to provide food to the poor, your beloved possessions as a sacrifice because you lack the means to provide donations (Sadaqah)
You do not have to view Islam in a way where interpretation is impossible, in fact, it is very open ended and is a topic of discussion even a thousand years after
You yourself could even become an Islamic scholar by starting to read Qur'an translations and provide your own interpretations, that is halal to do, to search for a correct answer with what is provided to you, all knowledge at your hands, and halal to teach others about your interpretations that were honestly made, all in search of truth.
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I'm dead?
Sorry you had to find out this way.
