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BlackBerry's iconic keyboard patent has expired

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  • C [email protected]

    I used to be a mobile developer (mainly Windows CE, Android and iOS) but once in 2010 I got put onto a project producing a TV-guide-like app for Blackberry. I was absolutely blown away by how fucking awful the developer tools were. Even during the development phase, an app had to be fully signed before it could be deployed to a device and tested and the signing servers were almost always down or operating under a severe delay. Even worse was that the framework code was divided up into umpteen billion different modules, each of which had to be separately signed, so the more modules you made use of the longer your app took to be signed (I often found myself writing custom functions that should logically have been handled by the framework, just to avoid the inclusion of one more module). Some days, even a one-line change to your code took 30 to 40 minutes to get onto your device - or else it was impossible because the signing servers were completely down. They did have emulators but they were worse than the physical devices and everything still had to be signed anyway. I just got in the habit of making hours of changes and then deploying while I went to lunch and testing everything afterwards; definitely not a programming best practice but the only way to make it work.

    The built-in UI tools were horrible and there wasn't anything that could be used for a TV guide, so I ended up having to do literally everything with Graphics primitives - although that was actually the fun part of the project. The most annoying thing was the 16-bit graphics, which probably made a bit of sense in 2003 but certainly not in 2010. And of course Blackberry was crashing and dying at that point anyway, so my work was pretty much useless.

    The scroll wheel was awesome, though. It allowed for a super-precise UI controlling aspect that just isn't possible with touchscreens.

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    More like Research In Place than RIM

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      More like Research In Place than RIM

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      Damn, I wish I'd thought of that back then.

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      • T [email protected]

        I've always swiped but somehow just installed voice to text last week. Game changer!

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        I'm in too many places where chatting to my phone wouldn't go over well.

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        • medicpigbabysaver@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

          I'm in too many places where chatting to my phone wouldn't go over well.

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          Ah that makes perfect sense. I'm alone for much of my day.

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            Damn, I wish I'd thought of that back then.

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            I give you my permission to claim it as your own when you finally get that time machine working.

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            • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

              I had two BlackBerry devices for work, right about the time they were going away. I'd heard the keyboard was good on earlier models but it seemed like the quality had gotten pretty cheap on the later phones. The BlackBerry 10 OS on my last phone was actually pretty good, and probably would've kept them in the market if they'd launched it 5 years earlier.

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              I hope we see more keyboard phones. I'd buy an iPhone with a keyboard.

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                I have a Unihertz Titan and love it. I guess they skirted around the keyboard patent. https://www.unihertz.com/products/titan

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                Very nice, I didn't know this existed. Looks very blackberry-esque.

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                • dcooksta26@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                  I was pretty good with T9 back in the day, then the keyboard on the BB Pearl changed everything. I loved the keyboard on the BB Curve the best, banged out tons of messages with friends with BB messenger.

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                  I was a palm treo man myself. I was way faster after a year or two on those than I am after a decade of iPhone.

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                    I had the Motorola droid, it was pretty sweet

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                    Forgot about this one. I loved this phone back in the day. Remember when it would say DROID when you booted it up?

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                      I hope we see more keyboard phones. I'd buy an iPhone with a keyboard.

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                      Look up clicks keyboard. Might be the closest you'll get

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                        Look up clicks keyboard. Might be the closest you'll get

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                        Yeah I've considered it. But it's just so loong.

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                          It still blows my mind how fast my friends and I were able to text on feature phones with T9.

                          I wonder if the suggestions ended up shaping our language patterns.

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                          I never used T9 because of that. It never knew what I want to say.

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                          • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                            I had two BlackBerry devices for work, right about the time they were going away. I'd heard the keyboard was good on earlier models but it seemed like the quality had gotten pretty cheap on the later phones. The BlackBerry 10 OS on my last phone was actually pretty good, and probably would've kept them in the market if they'd launched it 5 years earlier.

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                            I miss phone keyboards so much. I wish I still had a slide out keyboard

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                              I miss phone keyboards so much. I wish I still had a slide out keyboard

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                              They were so fantastic for gaming. I could actually see what was happening on the screen.

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                                LG had the best phones out of the box, hands down. But as soon as they're updated, they turn to shit. Excellent hardware, shitty after-sale support. I think that's what killed their phones.

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                                Just last week I upgraded from an LG V30. It was still running Android 8 and the battery would only last half of a day but I loved that phone.

                                RIP LG phones, I will miss you.

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                                • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                                  I had two BlackBerry devices for work, right about the time they were going away. I'd heard the keyboard was good on earlier models but it seemed like the quality had gotten pretty cheap on the later phones. The BlackBerry 10 OS on my last phone was actually pretty good, and probably would've kept them in the market if they'd launched it 5 years earlier.

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                                  I loved my BB Bold 9000, but the physical keyboard did reduce the screen size to a rather small form factor compared to modern phones. And I dare say that swyping is faster and just as accurate, so even if there would be new phones coming out with hardware keyboards of the same quality as old BlackBerry's, I doubt I would switch back.

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                                  • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ [email protected]

                                    I had two BlackBerry devices for work, right about the time they were going away. I'd heard the keyboard was good on earlier models but it seemed like the quality had gotten pretty cheap on the later phones. The BlackBerry 10 OS on my last phone was actually pretty good, and probably would've kept them in the market if they'd launched it 5 years earlier.

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                                    Hopefully that means somebody other than Unihertz will make a keyboard phone.

                                    I don’t need it to be super high end, I’d just rather not own a Chinese made phone with all the data they send back.

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                                      Dolomite

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                                      I'm 40% dolomite

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                                      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE [email protected]

                                        They were so fantastic for gaming. I could actually see what was happening on the screen.

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                                        My HTC Desire Z (aka T-Mobile G2) got many years of extra use as a dedicated emulation machine for exactly that reason.

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                                          I have a Unihertz Titan and love it. I guess they skirted around the keyboard patent. https://www.unihertz.com/products/titan

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                                          It's not three straight rows of keys with the other buttons on a fourth row at the bottom. That's what BB had a design patent for.

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