Just in time
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We had EVE Online, which i never bothered with so my info here is 2nd hand, but in that game you could fly space ships and engage in a fantasy sci-fi MMO universe.
People were working in banks there. Full on 9-5 jobs in a game about space.
I paid $15 a month to haul bulk cargo in a freighter.
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I'm glad to live in a time when full plate armor is no longer necessary to approach a woman safely.
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The first and second images are fantasy.
How come everyone wants to imagine the future is great and the past was great (it wasn't, it's literally just now but worse), but nobody wants to imagine what they could do to make now better?
wrote last edited by [email protected]The first and second images are fantasy.
Even if you concede "Knights exist" and "Astronauts exist", the idea that you're going to be a knight much less a fucking astronaut relative to being a subsistence farmer or a digital desk jockey...
How come everyone wants to imagine the future is great and the past was great
That's the other joke, though. Both these images are of people marching off to war. Presumably, these knights are going to the Holy Land to bake in the hot sun and shit themselves to death from cholera. Meanwhile, the interstellar colony ships are going to be rationing everything from calories to moles of oxygen.
The modern era guy doing a simple 9-5 desk job, getting more wealth in return in a week than an knight errant or an astronaut earns in a month, then going home to fuck his hot wife and play catch with his adorable kids has it pretty great by comparison.
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The first and second images are fantasy.
How come everyone wants to imagine the future is great and the past was great (it wasn't, it's literally just now but worse), but nobody wants to imagine what they could do to make now better?
Kinda hard to build FTL tech on imagination instead of billions/trillions of dollars of research, insane skills in math, physics, etc.
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Give it a try using ancient tech and get back to me after you come back to the city because your back is completely fucked.
Also, add in the drastically higher incidence of parasites and plague!
"Baby, you've got a stew goin'!"
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The future represented in this image has little chance of actually happening: it is the mythology of fossil fuel powered capitalist society, which has expanded past the planet's environmental limits but needs to expand somewhere, or admit it is at the end of its useful life.
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The middle ain't ever comin' my guy
I dunno, middle right looks to me like a cyberpunk dystopia with heavy smog. We can pretty much do that right now!
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Also, add in the drastically higher incidence of parasites and plague!
"Baby, you've got a stew goin'!"
Plus, probably still required to do military service, only you get no armor and face knights in full plate who have trained their whole lives to kill you.
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The future represented in this image has little chance of actually happening: it is the mythology of fossil fuel powered capitalist society, which has expanded past the planet's environmental limits but needs to expand somewhere, or admit it is at the end of its useful life.
Do we think that’s actually true, though? Life, all life, has a tendency to spread out when a niche is open in a new environment which it can fill, and there’s nothing shown there that isn’t technically within the bounds of humanity. Before capitalism, before humans were even Homo sapiens, we were already migrating out of Africa and into Eurasia. The drive to explore is, in my opinion, deeply human, and nothing says that the model of that exploration or expansion needs to be capitalistic. We wouldn’t have colonized the world in prehistory if it did.
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Nah, the past was filled with peasants dying of infections and dysentery. The future will just be the Pony Express crew from Mouthwashing. Honestly, I don't even know what member I'd choose to be since they all went out horrifically.
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Now replace the future with how Night City in Cyberpunk 2077 looks like.
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The first and second images are fantasy.
How come everyone wants to imagine the future is great and the past was great (it wasn't, it's literally just now but worse), but nobody wants to imagine what they could do to make now better?
Last image from 2nd line is cyberpunk, that's what a techno-fascist country is becoming. OP might be able to live it, he just have to move to the US (or wait if he already lives there)
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What kind of slop is the second image!
Yeah Like who would kiss in full armor. She's not even kissing the guy she's just missing the metal.
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At least we have air conditioning
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Do we think that’s actually true, though? Life, all life, has a tendency to spread out when a niche is open in a new environment which it can fill, and there’s nothing shown there that isn’t technically within the bounds of humanity. Before capitalism, before humans were even Homo sapiens, we were already migrating out of Africa and into Eurasia. The drive to explore is, in my opinion, deeply human, and nothing says that the model of that exploration or expansion needs to be capitalistic. We wouldn’t have colonized the world in prehistory if it did.
Life has a tendency to spread when new environments are available, yes.
But beyond this planet, there are no other environments. You might say the rest of the universe is antivironment. There is a wide range of possible conditions, of radiation and tempurature, gravity and molecular composition. Life requires a very very narrow and specific set of those conditions to continue.
Going from one continent to another, within the same atmosphere, with the same underlying set of conditions, is not all that much of a change. Actually leaving the planet? Permanently? And without just dying in the attempt? That would require a level of organization, long term planning (like, centuries long term), and resource management that we as a species have yet to demonstrate.
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Fantasy was always fantasy
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We had EVE Online, which i never bothered with so my info here is 2nd hand, but in that game you could fly space ships and engage in a fantasy sci-fi MMO universe.
People were working in banks there. Full on 9-5 jobs in a game about space.
Eve is still kicking. Good game, but why the hell would people want to work in a bank? I mean there were a few headlines about it basically being a massive scam and the guy who did it, bought himself an entire fleet. And dared people to get him.
Eve attracts a certain type of people.
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Life has a tendency to spread when new environments are available, yes.
But beyond this planet, there are no other environments. You might say the rest of the universe is antivironment. There is a wide range of possible conditions, of radiation and tempurature, gravity and molecular composition. Life requires a very very narrow and specific set of those conditions to continue.
Going from one continent to another, within the same atmosphere, with the same underlying set of conditions, is not all that much of a change. Actually leaving the planet? Permanently? And without just dying in the attempt? That would require a level of organization, long term planning (like, centuries long term), and resource management that we as a species have yet to demonstrate.
I disagree that life requires a narrow set of conditions to continue. What I believe is the case is that life requires specific conditions to begin, but once it exists, it is incredibly resilient. There are extremophiles which could reasonably survive in the vacuum of space, and from a more anthropocentric perspective, humans have proven ourselves to be remarkably resilient in the face of climatic tests. Sure, the most inhospitable of earth conditions is a paradise in comparison to something like Mars as it exists now, but we adapted to those when the height of technology was a flint knapped hand-axe. It’s safe to say that the technological aspect of humanity has come a long way, and our ability to survive in and adapt to the conditions of bodies other than earth improves steadily day by day as the wheel of technology turns ever-faster (to say nothing of outright space habitats, which we could absolutely reasonably build with our current understanding of physics). I don’t mean this as a glorification of human industry; rather, I mean to say that ingenuity, adaptability, and tenacity are fundamental characteristics of our species - it’s why we’re here today.
I will also note that there’s no guarantee that there aren’t habitable worlds in other solar systems, and no reason to assume that they couldn’t be found. Even within our solar system, there are planets which, with sufficient effort, could feasibly be colonized near to our current tech level (looking at you, Venus. I know Mars gets all the attention but you’re my one true love).
And, indeed, I wonder if you’ve proven the fundamental point yourself with your observation on organization and long term planning. After all, is it perhaps possible that the very reason we have never demonstrated that level of resource management in our modern, industrial world is itself capitalism? Such a duplicative, wasteful structure is fundamentally inefficient, and more to the point, is fundamentally at odds with the communalist nature of humanity. We are a species which, historically, shares, and just the mere fact that we have convinced ourselves that selfishness is in our nature does not make it true. Additionally, centuries of planning becomes a lot more reasonable when humans reach the point of living for centuries, which is a prospect that I think a lot of people ignore the (relatively speaking) imminent nature of.
All that is to say: we are a species of firsts, and typically when we are met with a survival challenge on a physiological level, we conquer that with technology. Clothing, fire, tools, and planning allowed us to conquer the arctic despite a body plan which is adapted for equatorial living, why should we assume we won’t also eventually rise to this technical challenge in the long term? I have no idea what that intermediary period will look like (except that it will likely be, at minimum, equally unpleasant for us as it is at present), but if history shows us anything it’s that we eventually pull through. Humanity tried to migrate out of Africa several times before it stuck, populations died out, and we find fossil remains which have genomes entirely unrelated to anyone not from Africa, but the notable thing is that we kept on trying anyways.
We’re just stubborn like that.
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At least we have air conditioning
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Yeah Like who would kiss in full armor. She's not even kissing the guy she's just missing the metal.
OG heavy metal fan.
