Why did gandhi ask britain to seek peace with nazi germany?
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If the Ally leadership knew, why didn't they use that information as propoganda for their war efforts?
Allied leadership was very wary of running into the issue they did in WW1 - where the exaggeration of German war crimes discredited the propaganda apparatus of Britain. As they became more aware of the nature and extent of the death camps, Allied leadership opted to document evidence for the postwar tribunals rather than engage in a war of accusation and denial against Nazi Germany which could have seriously damaged the short-term credibility of their propaganda efforts.
Whether this was the right choice is another question entirely.
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I don't think it was confirmed until they were starting to get liberated, was it? Like it was probably predicted they were there, but that's a pretty tough allegation to put out there and then be wrong on, victors or not.
Polish partisans had been telling Allied Command about them for years.
Iirc there was even an absolute madlad of a Jewish Polish war hero who let himself get sent to a death camp so he could gather evidence and escape to get better evidence.
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Ah yes, the pre-emptive starving several years before the war
I don't understand your comment, the war started in 1939, Great Britain joined the war 3 days after Hitler invaded Poland. The famine occured in 1943.
Your maths is terrible?
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He didn't. The quotes in these tweets are fake. If I search for these quotes these tweets are the only results. Twitter is a hostile platform to reality as reality can get in the way of virality. Hence why you never see sources on twitter. This was likely written by someone with only a passing familiarity with gandhi's position on WWII who probably guessed at how he would speak based on his character in Civ.
What did gandhi actually think the Britiish should do in 1940? In his actual words:
I want you to fight Nazism without arms, or, if I am to retain the military terminology, with non-violent arms. I would like you to lay down the arms you have, as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions. Let them take possession of your beautiful island, with your many beautiful buildings. You will give all these, but neither your souls, nor your minds. If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.
Basically he was speaking for an extreme form of non-violent civil disobedience, not capitulation.
Also a famous gandhi quote:
"Stop believing everything you see on twitter you gullible rube" -
Are we having the same conversation?
You don't seem to be.
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It's important to remember: few outside of Germany knew that concentration camps existed, certainly not the scale of them or how appalling the conditions were. Consider the amount of information that Gandhi could reasonably have about activity in Germany and Europe. As far as he was concerned, the evil empire dominating his country was just having a costly spat with the evil empire dominating another country, sacrificing the welfare of his people for those of their neighbours in Europe.
Bullshit. People knew, they aren't dumb. The polish underground reported on them regularly and even had operatives inside them. People living around them knew they were death camps. You cannot commit such slaughter and somehow magically hide it.
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Bullshit. People knew, they aren't dumb. The polish underground reported on them regularly and even had operatives inside them. People living around them knew they were death camps. You cannot commit such slaughter and somehow magically hide it.
Average people simply didn't have access to information at the scale we now enjoy at that time. Leaders of countries and militaries might know, but unless it was being reported by wire services and in local newspapers, the average person would have had no rational way of finding out about it.
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He didn't. The quotes in these tweets are fake. If I search for these quotes these tweets are the only results. Twitter is a hostile platform to reality as reality can get in the way of virality. Hence why you never see sources on twitter. This was likely written by someone with only a passing familiarity with gandhi's position on WWII who probably guessed at how he would speak based on his character in Civ.
What did gandhi actually think the Britiish should do in 1940? In his actual words:
I want you to fight Nazism without arms, or, if I am to retain the military terminology, with non-violent arms. I would like you to lay down the arms you have, as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions. Let them take possession of your beautiful island, with your many beautiful buildings. You will give all these, but neither your souls, nor your minds. If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them.
Basically he was speaking for an extreme form of non-violent civil disobedience, not capitulation.
Also a famous gandhi quote:
"Stop believing everything you see on twitter you gullible rube"A lot of good that'd do for the people being rounded up to get gassed.
Gandhi was not always right with his beliefs.
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Average people simply didn't have access to information at the scale we now enjoy at that time. Leaders of countries and militaries might know, but unless it was being reported by wire services and in local newspapers, the average person would have had no rational way of finding out about it.
People in Poland knew. That's what I'm certain of. I know because my grandparents mentioned it and they were "average people", far away from the camps.
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People in Poland knew. That's what I'm certain of. I know because my grandparents mentioned it and they were "average people", far away from the camps.
Okay, people in the US generally didn't though. How is the information going to get to them, when mail took months, phone calls were not realistically possible, and telegraphs were incredibly expensive? Unless it's getting reported by the major news outlets, the majority of people in the US simply didn't have access to that information. Given the propaganda that was coming from both sides at the time, reports might not have even been very believable to the average citizen.
