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Massive respect to iraeli soldiers willing to defy their country.

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  • cris_color@lemmy.worldC This user is from outside of this forum
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    Massive respect to iraeli soldiers willing to defy their country. For many (certainly not all) criticising the war and senseless loss of life is an easy thing to just throw out on social media. It's another thing entirely when it's your whole country around you, and you're a member of the military. There's a reason we see people comit atrocities while "just following orders"- it's by far the easier path when you're handed down horrific orders.

    I cannot imagine the consequences they might face for this kind of insubordination but it deserves recognition. The killing serves no meaningful purpose.

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      Massive respect to iraeli soldiers willing to defy their country. For many (certainly not all) criticising the war and senseless loss of life is an easy thing to just throw out on social media. It's another thing entirely when it's your whole country around you, and you're a member of the military. There's a reason we see people comit atrocities while "just following orders"- it's by far the easier path when you're handed down horrific orders.

      I cannot imagine the consequences they might face for this kind of insubordination but it deserves recognition. The killing serves no meaningful purpose.

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      Israel has a history of ostracising those they deem "cowards" in society.

      Just look into how they remembered the Holocaust and how they treated the survivors.

      I both hope those brave soldiers stay in Israel to lead a change and hope they don't let the state crush them with the gleeful support of the fascist civilian population.

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        Massive respect to iraeli soldiers willing to defy their country. For many (certainly not all) criticising the war and senseless loss of life is an easy thing to just throw out on social media. It's another thing entirely when it's your whole country around you, and you're a member of the military. There's a reason we see people comit atrocities while "just following orders"- it's by far the easier path when you're handed down horrific orders.

        I cannot imagine the consequences they might face for this kind of insubordination but it deserves recognition. The killing serves no meaningful purpose.

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        Risking losing life or go to jail. Jail ia the better option

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          Massive respect to iraeli soldiers willing to defy their country. For many (certainly not all) criticising the war and senseless loss of life is an easy thing to just throw out on social media. It's another thing entirely when it's your whole country around you, and you're a member of the military. There's a reason we see people comit atrocities while "just following orders"- it's by far the easier path when you're handed down horrific orders.

          I cannot imagine the consequences they might face for this kind of insubordination but it deserves recognition. The killing serves no meaningful purpose.

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          Hopefully the ones that cooperate will eventually face the Hague. We hung a lot of Nazis for just following orders. The IDF should get no special treatment.

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            Risking losing life or go to jail. Jail ia the better option

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            I'm not really convinced many IDF soldiers are facing significant risk of losing their life, at least in combat- my impression has been that they and Hamas aren't exactly evenly matched in terms of resources 😅

            I could absolutely be wrong, I'm not terribly well informed on the conflict and what combat casualties each side has suffered

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              I'm not really convinced many IDF soldiers are facing significant risk of losing their life, at least in combat- my impression has been that they and Hamas aren't exactly evenly matched in terms of resources 😅

              I could absolutely be wrong, I'm not terribly well informed on the conflict and what combat casualties each side has suffered

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              Hamas still has enough explosive devices to cause trouble for the soldiers. As for arms, well it depends on how fast they can get it from other Iran proxy groups.

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                I'm not really convinced many IDF soldiers are facing significant risk of losing their life, at least in combat- my impression has been that they and Hamas aren't exactly evenly matched in terms of resources 😅

                I could absolutely be wrong, I'm not terribly well informed on the conflict and what combat casualties each side has suffered

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                I saw many operation of hamas they release. Israel definitelt lying qbout the number of casualities

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                  Hopefully the ones that cooperate will eventually face the Hague. We hung a lot of Nazis for just following orders. The IDF should get no special treatment.

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                  Will not happen with the west still having good relation with israel

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                  • nagaram@startrek.websiteN [email protected]

                    Israel has a history of ostracising those they deem "cowards" in society.

                    Just look into how they remembered the Holocaust and how they treated the survivors.

                    I both hope those brave soldiers stay in Israel to lead a change and hope they don't let the state crush them with the gleeful support of the fascist civilian population.

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                    The idf is the most coward army

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                    • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                      Massive respect to iraeli soldiers willing to defy their country. For many (certainly not all) criticising the war and senseless loss of life is an easy thing to just throw out on social media. It's another thing entirely when it's your whole country around you, and you're a member of the military. There's a reason we see people comit atrocities while "just following orders"- it's by far the easier path when you're handed down horrific orders.

                      I cannot imagine the consequences they might face for this kind of insubordination but it deserves recognition. The killing serves no meaningful purpose.

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                      Keep in mind they have mandatory conscription, so literally everyone in the country is an Israeli soldier.

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