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  3. Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. They just memorize patterns really well.

Apple just proved AI "reasoning" models like Claude, DeepSeek-R1, and o3-mini don't actually reason at all. They just memorize patterns really well.

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  • N [email protected]

    It’s not higher thinking, it’s just actual thinking. Computers are not capable of that and never will be. It’s not a level of fighting progress, or whatever you are trying to get at, it’s just a realistic understanding of computers and technology. You’re jerking off a pipe dream, you don’t even understand how the technology you’re talking about works, and calling a brain “wetware” perfectly outlines that. You’re working on a script writers level of understanding how computers, hardware, and software work. You lack the grasp to even know what you’re talking about, this isn’t Johnny Mnemonic.

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    I call the brain “wetware” because there are companies already working with living neurons to be integrated into AI processing, and it’s an actual industry term.

    That you so confidently declare machines will never be capable of processes we haven’t even been able to clearly define ourselves, paired with your almost religious fervor in opposition to its existence, really speaks to where you’re coming from on this. This isn’t coming from an academic perspective. This is clearly personal for you.

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    • N [email protected]

      Funny you should use that example, I am actually a musician and composer, so yes. You’ve proved nothing other than your own assumptions that everyone else is as limited in their ability to create, learn, and express themselves as you are. I’m not looking for a crutch, and you’re using a work of intentionally flawed fictional logic to attempt to make a point. The point you’ve established is you live in a fantasy world, but you don’t understand that because it involves computers.

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      #164

      And there’s the reveal!! That’s why it’s so personal for you! It’s a career threat. It all adds up now.

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        I call the brain “wetware” because there are companies already working with living neurons to be integrated into AI processing, and it’s an actual industry term.

        That you so confidently declare machines will never be capable of processes we haven’t even been able to clearly define ourselves, paired with your almost religious fervor in opposition to its existence, really speaks to where you’re coming from on this. This isn’t coming from an academic perspective. This is clearly personal for you.

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        #165

        Here’s the thing, I’m not against LLMs and dispersion for things they can actually be used for, they have potential for real things, just not at all the things you pretend exist. Neural implants aren’t AI. An intelligence is self aware, if we achieved AI it wouldn’t be a program. You’re misconstruing Virtual Intelligence for artificial intelligence and you don’t even understand what a virtual intelligence is. You’re simply delusional in what you believe computer science and technology is, how it works, and what it’s capable of.

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        • S [email protected]

          And there’s the reveal!! That’s why it’s so personal for you! It’s a career threat. It all adds up now.

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          #166

          I don’t make money, it’s something I do for personal enjoyment, that’s the entire purpose of art, it’s something I also use algorithmic processing to do. I’m not going to hand over my enjoyment to have a servitor do something for me to take credit for, I prefer to use my brain, not replace it.

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          • G [email protected]

            Dog has a very clear definition, so when you call a sausage in a bun a "Hot Dog", you are actually a fool.

            Smart has a very clear definition, so no, you do not have a "Smart Phone" in your pocket.

            Also, that is not the definition of intelligence. But the crux of the issue is that you are making up a definition for AI that suits your needs.

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            #167

            Misconstruing how language works isn't an argument for what an existing and established word means.

            I'm sure that argument made you feel super clever but it's nonsense.

            I sourced by definition from authoritative sources. The fact that you didn't even bother to verify that or provide an alternative authoritative definition tells me all I need to know about the value in further discussion with you.

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            • N [email protected]

              Here’s the thing, I’m not against LLMs and dispersion for things they can actually be used for, they have potential for real things, just not at all the things you pretend exist. Neural implants aren’t AI. An intelligence is self aware, if we achieved AI it wouldn’t be a program. You’re misconstruing Virtual Intelligence for artificial intelligence and you don’t even understand what a virtual intelligence is. You’re simply delusional in what you believe computer science and technology is, how it works, and what it’s capable of.

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              #168

              I’m not talking about neural interfaces. I’m talking about organiod intelligence.

              I am a computer scientist with lab experience in this. I’m not pulling this out of my ass. I’m drawing from direct experience in development.

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              • N [email protected]

                I don’t make money, it’s something I do for personal enjoyment, that’s the entire purpose of art, it’s something I also use algorithmic processing to do. I’m not going to hand over my enjoyment to have a servitor do something for me to take credit for, I prefer to use my brain, not replace it.

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                #169

                No one told you to hand it over. A technology being able to do something does not require you to use it. And people misusing the technology to feign talent is a reflection of the people- not the tech.

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                  I’m not talking about neural interfaces. I’m talking about organiod intelligence.

                  I am a computer scientist with lab experience in this. I’m not pulling this out of my ass. I’m drawing from direct experience in development.

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                  #170

                  Yeah, that’s the problem with the field, too many delusional people trying to find god in a computer because they didn’t understand what Asimov was actually writing about.

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                    No one told you to hand it over. A technology being able to do something does not require you to use it. And people misusing the technology to feign talent is a reflection of the people- not the tech.

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                    It’s not even to feign talent, it’s people trying to replace the brain instead of using applicable tools to help us advance and progress, you’re just advertising a product.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      Yeah, that’s the problem with the field, too many delusional people trying to find god in a computer because they didn’t understand what Asimov was actually writing about.

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                      #172

                      That it has to be nothing or everything with you, decision trees or God himself, is the likely foundation of your inability to have simple objective take on the existing technology and its capabilities. It’s giving bi-polar.

                      Now I’m not uninformed- I’m too informed!! LoL. That goalpost just shifted right across the field, and still you cannot admit to your ignorance.

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                      • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                        Wow it's almost like the computer scientists were saying this from the start but were shouted over by marketing teams.

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                        #173

                        For me it kinda went the other way, I'm almost convinced that human intelligence is the same pattern repeating, just more general (yet)

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                        • N [email protected]

                          It’s not even to feign talent, it’s people trying to replace the brain instead of using applicable tools to help us advance and progress, you’re just advertising a product.

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                          People have been presenting the work of others as their own for all of history. All that changed was a new tool was found to do that. But at least these are a form of derivative works, and not just putting their name directly on someone else’s carbon copy.

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                          • S [email protected]

                            That it has to be nothing or everything with you, decision trees or God himself, is the likely foundation of your inability to have simple objective take on the existing technology and its capabilities. It’s giving bi-polar.

                            Now I’m not uninformed- I’m too informed!! LoL. That goalpost just shifted right across the field, and still you cannot admit to your ignorance.

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                            #175

                            You haven’t made any point or even expressed an understanding of how these programs work. You’ve just been evangelizing about how AI is great, I genuinely don’t believe you understand what you’re talking about because you’ve expressed literally no proper understanding or explanation of your points outside of using a scene from I, Robot which kind of makes you look like you entirely misconstrue the concepts you’re sucking the dick of.

                            What kind of computer sciences do you work with as a profession? What is your applicable lab work?

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                              People have been presenting the work of others as their own for all of history. All that changed was a new tool was found to do that. But at least these are a form of derivative works, and not just putting their name directly on someone else’s carbon copy.

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                              Tell that to Studio Ghibli. Also, people being shitty is not a good excuse for people to be shitty, you’re advocating to make it easier to enable people to be shitty.

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                              • N [email protected]

                                You haven’t made any point or even expressed an understanding of how these programs work. You’ve just been evangelizing about how AI is great, I genuinely don’t believe you understand what you’re talking about because you’ve expressed literally no proper understanding or explanation of your points outside of using a scene from I, Robot which kind of makes you look like you entirely misconstrue the concepts you’re sucking the dick of.

                                What kind of computer sciences do you work with as a profession? What is your applicable lab work?

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                                I’m not evangelizing. You incorrectly stated the limitations and development paths of the tech, and I corrected you.

                                Again with the religious verbiage from you. But I’m the one proselytizing?

                                It’s not nothing- it’s an impressive feat of technology that’s still in its infancy. It’s also not everything, and not anywhere close to a reasoning mind at this point. You are obsessive with extremes.

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                                  I’m not evangelizing. You incorrectly stated the limitations and development paths of the tech, and I corrected you.

                                  Again with the religious verbiage from you. But I’m the one proselytizing?

                                  It’s not nothing- it’s an impressive feat of technology that’s still in its infancy. It’s also not everything, and not anywhere close to a reasoning mind at this point. You are obsessive with extremes.

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                                  #178

                                  You didn’t answer my question. You’ve also still yet to give any details on your reasoning.

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                                  • N [email protected]

                                    Tell that to Studio Ghibli. Also, people being shitty is not a good excuse for people to be shitty, you’re advocating to make it easier to enable people to be shitty.

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                                    #179

                                    Studio Ghibli does not have exclusive rights to their style- whether it’s used by a person or an AI to inspire a new image. Those are derivative works. Totally legal. Arguably ethical. If it’s not a direct copy, how has the studio been harmed? What work of theirs was diminished?

                                    I’m advocating for tools. How people use those tools is on them.

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                                    • N [email protected]

                                      You didn’t answer my question. You’ve also still yet to give any details on your reasoning.

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                                      No, I’m not gonna dox myself.

                                      Reasoning for what? What details are you needing for clarification?

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                                        Studio Ghibli does not have exclusive rights to their style- whether it’s used by a person or an AI to inspire a new image. Those are derivative works. Totally legal. Arguably ethical. If it’s not a direct copy, how has the studio been harmed? What work of theirs was diminished?

                                        I’m advocating for tools. How people use those tools is on them.

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                                        I disagree.

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          You didn’t answer my question. You’ve also still yet to give any details on your reasoning.

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                                          Actually, you’re out of your depth, and I think you’ve been outed enough. We’re done, and I’m blocking.

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