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I was told that I would be able to swim to completion and experience the resulting sense of pride and accomplishment if I waited precisely 1 hour after consuming sustenance
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I'm sorry but you're never going to convince me that some mental disorders make people abusive and some magically don't. The reason you think autism is a magical exception among all those other examples you gave is just politics. You don't really believe your own rhetoric.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Holy shit man, it’s not that hard. You don’t need a mental disorder to be classified as an abuser. I said in my last comment that there are other ways to become an abuser, many of which are sociopolitical. You can have no mental disorders and grow up abused, and you are much more likely to continue the cycle than those who were not. You can be an alcoholic with routinely impaired judgement and become an abuser. You can simply be an asshole. There are any number of ways to be/become one without fitting the criteria of a mental disorder. The fact that some of the abusers you know happen to have autism is coincidental at best.
Also, I’m not sure what “politics” you’re talking about (I jest, I know exactly the “politics” you mean) when I literally cited the DSM-5 to you. Not that it’s relevant when half my point was that mental disorders and abusive tendencies are neither mutually inclusive nor exclusive; but you keep insisting that a mental disorder must be the cause, so I did it anyway. If it has to be relevant, it would only be with regard to the specific way the abuse manifests, not whether it manifests in the first place.
It’s not magic, and it’s not rhetoric, it’s just science. If you’re convinced that I won’t convince you - fine, I’ll stop trying. Just know that I’m not trying to convince you of what you think I’m trying to convince you of. If you were confused by that, reread this comment.
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Holy shit man, it’s not that hard. You don’t need a mental disorder to be classified as an abuser. I said in my last comment that there are other ways to become an abuser, many of which are sociopolitical. You can have no mental disorders and grow up abused, and you are much more likely to continue the cycle than those who were not. You can be an alcoholic with routinely impaired judgement and become an abuser. You can simply be an asshole. There are any number of ways to be/become one without fitting the criteria of a mental disorder. The fact that some of the abusers you know happen to have autism is coincidental at best.
Also, I’m not sure what “politics” you’re talking about (I jest, I know exactly the “politics” you mean) when I literally cited the DSM-5 to you. Not that it’s relevant when half my point was that mental disorders and abusive tendencies are neither mutually inclusive nor exclusive; but you keep insisting that a mental disorder must be the cause, so I did it anyway. If it has to be relevant, it would only be with regard to the specific way the abuse manifests, not whether it manifests in the first place.
It’s not magic, and it’s not rhetoric, it’s just science. If you’re convinced that I won’t convince you - fine, I’ll stop trying. Just know that I’m not trying to convince you of what you think I’m trying to convince you of. If you were confused by that, reread this comment.
The fact that you're willing to argue that mental disorders can cause abusive behaviour at all tells me you're not coming from a place of intellectual honesty.
There are two legitimate sides to this argument: they do, and they don't. You're part of the manufactured hypocritical third side, which argues some do and some don't, and the difference is how many people with the disorder you've heard a sob story from.
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The fact that you're willing to argue that mental disorders can cause abusive behaviour at all tells me you're not coming from a place of intellectual honesty.
There are two legitimate sides to this argument: they do, and they don't. You're part of the manufactured hypocritical third side, which argues some do and some don't, and the difference is how many people with the disorder you've heard a sob story from.
Exactly what did I say to give you the impression that any disorder caused abusive behavior?
I said they are neither mutually inclusive nor exclusive - in other words, no direct causal relationship. Ever heard the phrase “correlation is not causation”? It just so happens that NPD correlates with abusive behavior much more than ASD does, and that isn’t according to any “sob stories” I heard - it’s from the DSM-5 which I linked to and which I’m now guessing you probably didn’t read.
Anyway, I’m done with this. Have fun with your black-and-white life.
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Fair enough, I learned that as a kid. I do remember reading some recommendation to not do it from the german national lifeguard association as well though.
Lifeguards really don't want to be skimming your puke out of the pool
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Exactly what did I say to give you the impression that any disorder caused abusive behavior?
I said they are neither mutually inclusive nor exclusive - in other words, no direct causal relationship. Ever heard the phrase “correlation is not causation”? It just so happens that NPD correlates with abusive behavior much more than ASD does, and that isn’t according to any “sob stories” I heard - it’s from the DSM-5 which I linked to and which I’m now guessing you probably didn’t read.
Anyway, I’m done with this. Have fun with your black-and-white life.
The DSM isn't for correlations, it's for causation
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The fact that you're willing to argue that mental disorders can cause abusive behaviour at all tells me you're not coming from a place of intellectual honesty.
There are two legitimate sides to this argument: they do, and they don't. You're part of the manufactured hypocritical third side, which argues some do and some don't, and the difference is how many people with the disorder you've heard a sob story from.
So you are just going to state your false dichotomy fallacy outright? Yes different disorders have different symptoms and not all have the same effect on social functions. Just as I wouldn’t expect an amputated leg and a toothache to be the same in regards to their effect on running speed. Not all physical illnesses “either do or don’t make it more difficult to run” so why would all mental conditions “either make or not make one abusive”?
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So you are just going to state your false dichotomy fallacy outright? Yes different disorders have different symptoms and not all have the same effect on social functions. Just as I wouldn’t expect an amputated leg and a toothache to be the same in regards to their effect on running speed. Not all physical illnesses “either do or don’t make it more difficult to run” so why would all mental conditions “either make or not make one abusive”?
Fuck you, narcissists are abusers and they deserve to be put to death
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it’s a consequence of being told you have to be perfect or you failed growing up
This would explain so much of the political in-fighting we see here, where "the perfect" becomes the enemy of "the good."
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Eh I think Republicans just weren't huggedr enough as children. Only half a joke
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remember the early 90s and how like everything causes cancer? I remember even reading burnt toast causes cancer. Everything was cancer in those days
Its bad journalistic reporting.
Study "we tested if burned food contains carcinogens. We used bread as our test medium and found elevated carcinogens in the burnt bread compared to properly toasted and untoasted bread, leading to a slight increase in exposure to carcinogens and slightly increases the chance of cancer."
The reporting and editorial: "BURNT BREAD CAUSES CANCER! MORE AFTER OUR SPONSOR FOR DEPRESSION MEDICINE!"
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Fuck you, narcissists are abusers and they deserve to be put to death
I thought all mental disorders made people abusers in your opinion? Do you think everyone with a mental disorder should be killed? Narcissists, autistic people and people with depression or post traumatic stress alike?
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Growing up, I had these two old-maid great-aunts, and they were anxious about everything. Whenever we approached an escalator, they would stop and make a big dramatic scene about getting on the escalator, saying "If you fall, the steps will cut your legs to ribbons!"
Naturally, my response was to suggest the stairs, or the elevator, instead of the obvious death trap escalator.
To this day, I am very cautious about elevators.
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Eh I think Republicans just weren't huggedr enough as children. Only half a joke
Tbf, both sides have had a tendency to have some rapid people who control the public conversation, attacking anyone whose opinions vary even the slightest from theirs. I have had the displeasure of meeting a few of the leftwing ones on this platform and they tend to be entirely unself aware about how extreme and hostile they come off to others.
It's the reason I ended up filtering out as much political content as possible. I left corporate social media because I wanted to get away from mindless hateful lunatics, but honestly, this place is just as unbearable as the rest of social media if you let it hit you unfiltered.
And I have also experienced being accused of being a fascist despite being very much center left. Some people are fucking insane on here. Just as insane as some of the crazy right-wingers I have had the displeasure of encountering.
Ideological fanatics suck no matter what side they are on because nuance repulses them and everything is a paranoid search for an enemy to attack. I want nothing to do with people who behave like that.
