Why do so many conservatives in the US bash on California all the time?
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's heavily featured in Fox and other conservative
propagandamedia. So is the pacific northwest... my god, my dad will not stop talking about the homeless hordes of seattle or whatever.TBH Texas and Florda are portrayed similarly in many leftist tabloids. Speaking as someone who has recently leaved in both, yes, they are conservative dystopias, but not uniformly and not like news would lead you to believe.
There are just blowing up grains of truth.
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
If California is allowed to look good, then it hurts the credibility of their ideology.
I think there are some criticisms about Californians leaving the state raising housing prices in their own state. That’s just how supply and demand works though when the supply of houses suddenly becomes more limited in your area.
They like to say things along the lines of: “Californians messed up their own state with their high taxes, fled here, are driving all the prices up, and are now trying to bring their fAiLeD PoLiTiCs to the state.” The real answer is that California is such a desirable place to live that there are not enough houses and well paying jobs to go around. People leave the state because of unregulated capitalist pressures, not because of the state’s strong social programs.
It’s not just Californians moving to other states that are driving prices up. Housing prices going up is also caused by private equity firms buying up available properties, a slowdown on building new houses capping supply, people from other states moving, and Not In My Backyard people trying to prevent lower cost housing in their towns since they don’t want the price of their house to ever drop.
Having strong social programs in their own states could actually help mitigate the impact of prices going up for housing as well as for other goods and services. For instance, they could have their own state provided healthcare coverage to help them have guaranteed healthcare. They could have better public transportation systems so they are not so car reliant to get to work. Rent controls in place to mitigate landlords pricing people out of the area. Affordable housing construction. Even things like public utilities could be offered for less by the state for gas, electricity, phone, and internet.
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
An often overlooked aspect is that much of the rural US is experiencing pretty aggressive gentrification. "California" is the nebulous word used to describe that process by conservatives because actual understanding and contextualizing is "woke".
California being the stand in word due to the socio-economic reasons already stated.
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
California is a big, shiny, undeniable counter-point to everything they claim is bad about liberalism.
More people choose to live here than anywhere else (in America) and we have more money than anyone else because our economy is more productive than anywhere else (in America).
It's California. Go anywhere in the world and say the word "California" and they'll know what you're talking about, even if they don't speak English.
California is concrete proof that liberalism isn't some failed ideology and they REALLY don't like that. Hell, we're responsible for some of these conservative states even existing, as they siphon money from us because we pay WAY more to the federal government than any other state.
Conservatives don't have a state as successful as California. And even most of their large cities are liberal.
It's hate based in jealousy.
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It's heavily featured in Fox and other conservative
propagandamedia. So is the pacific northwest... my god, my dad will not stop talking about the homeless hordes of seattle or whatever.TBH Texas and Florda are portrayed similarly in many leftist tabloids. Speaking as someone who has recently leaved in both, yes, they are conservative dystopias, but not uniformly and not like news would lead you to believe.
There are just blowing up grains of truth.
my dad will not stop talking about the homeless hordes of seattle or whatever.
Californian here. I would rather live with the homeless than live in a conservative shithole state. Yeah, there's homeless. But I'm also living in world-renowned California.
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my dad will not stop talking about the homeless hordes of seattle or whatever.
Californian here. I would rather live with the homeless than live in a conservative shithole state. Yeah, there's homeless. But I'm also living in world-renowned California.
wrote last edited by [email protected]There's some pretty great stuff here in Texas (and Florida). But they aren't shitholes. It's mostly not that bad, and not that conservative.
...There are homeless hordes here, too.
Regions have their shit politics and weaknesses, but what's on tabloids is a caricature of what its like on the ground.
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I get the sense places like California and New York are seen as the homes of the rich elite. Which, they are - because that’s where everyone wants to live. Conservatives miss that they’re also the homes of hundreds of thousands of oppressed working class like themselves who also hate those rich elites, because states are big places.
There’s also racism. They hate sanctuary cities because they go against their narrative that immigrants are destroying America. (Signed, a white guy living in a sanctuary city that is proud of its low crime rate)
I get the sense places like California and New York are seen as the homes of the rich elite.
And then they elected a born rich New York elite man-child. Twice.
Not a bright bunch.
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"B-but everyone is leaving California!!1!"
To the people saying this: yeah, dream on. Step away from the hard right-wing media and look around. It's a myth.
Yes there are some people leaving the state for places like Texas and Florida (sorry, but fuck knows why!). But there are still a ton of people here in CA, there are still people moving here, and there are still kids being born here. We are a loooong way from a mass exodus of economy crippling proportions.
Yeah, as a Californian the "mass exodus" propaganda was hilarious.
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CA republicans hate California just as much
wrote last edited by [email protected]As a Californian I've spent decades watching CA Republicans whine about California then...stay.
I just laugh in their faces now. You're here because it's California and you know it's good. I'm not going to entertain their empty whining. I'll just laugh at them while they enjoy the weather and all the other cool shit they complain about.
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I'm on some outdoor forums and the most common complaints I hear about "Commiefornia" relate to gun control. They like their guns, and despise anyone who tries to interfere with that. The rest is mostly side issues.
I live in CA and every time I go camping in the Sierra Nevada I can hear people popping off shots nearby. These low IQ conservatives from elsewhere think guns are banned here or something. They are not.
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Having gotten roped back into the southeast for a bit, FUCK YOU, COMMIE!
The midwest reclaimed me from the PNW but after getting the family to visit they're all on board for moving there. If it's still allowed when we're ready.
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
Perceived as most left-leaning of the states , wen any one who knows just a little past surface level about USian politics , they'll realise there's no true "left-leaning" state lol
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Oh dear, I have to post it again:
Look at the economies of southern red states. They're fucking garbage and they turn out some of the most reprehensible personalities in our country. Pathetic.
I had a hard time getting the page to load, so I'm just gonna copy fuck the south here for anyone else that can't load the page:
*November 3, 2004
Fuck the South. Fuck 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.
And now what do we get? We're the fucking Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?
Cause we fucking founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bullshit about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the fucking sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were fucking blue-staters, dickhead. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? Hello? Think there might be a reason all the fucking monuments are up here in our backyard?
No, No. Get the fuck out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and fucking Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those fucking stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for fucking blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their fucking Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this shit, so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" dickheads. Fuck off.
Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being fucking arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the fucking cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so fucking arrogant if I wasn't paying for your fucking bridges, bitch.
All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your fucking Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a fucking swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a shithole," we said, but you had to have your fucking orange juice.
The next dickwad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own fucking stop signs, assholes.
Let’s talk about those values for a fucking minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you fucking Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping dickwads? Well? Can you guess? It’s fucking Massachusetts, the fucking center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the fucking nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are fucking blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to fucking guess? 10 of the top 10 are fucking red-ass we're-so-fucking-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its fucking part.
But two guys making out is going to fucking ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bastards. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we fucking get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're fucking towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us fucking Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the fucking Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.
Well this gravy train is fucking over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bullshit and shove it up your ass.
And no, you can't have your fucking convention in New York next time. Fuck off. *
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I live in CA and every time I go camping in the Sierra Nevada I can hear people popping off shots nearby. These low IQ conservatives from elsewhere think guns are banned here or something. They are not.
Guns aren't banned in CA but the laws are stricter here than in some other states. There's also an element of yuppie elitism associated with the gun control advocates (and Democrats in general) which doesn't go over with the gun crowd either. I've been wanting to look at the book "Dignity" by Chris Arnade which is supposed to be helpful in understanding this.
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Totally agree, both sides are made to keep us content. You are right that we need to be vigilant of both narratives.
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
Learn the phrase and see it everywhere: negative partisanship. XBOX vs PS vs Nintendo vs mobile, Mac vs MS vs Linux, Rep vs Dem, white vs black, old vs young, etc. etc. etc. Stupid people love signalling to their ingroup how loyal they are by attacking the outgroup.
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Nevada and texas are both shitholes. They exist to exploit workers who don't know any better and have bought into a lie sold to them by rich people.
pretty much it,
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They weren't going to be powerhouses regardless, but yes, voting for Republicans is fucking their economies. But there's nothing thats going to make Des Moines the San Francisco of the plains, nor Cincinnati the San Diego of the Midwest . The great lakes region is slowly rebuilding from the catastrophic loss of manufacturing. Coal isn't coming back and there's not much else for money in west Virginia.
Some of these cities might rise again someday, but there's a reason people dream of the west coast and not Minneapolis or Chicagoland (though Chicagoland does rock, and so do Cleveland and Minnesota)
its most like the vicinity of Ports which have the greatest economic value, you arnt getting that a middle of nowhere state. plus other things like arable land for farming, the climate, the jobs.
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A majority of them have never even been to California yet they seem to talk about it/bash it non-stop.
They hate us cause they ain’t us
