I'm from EU and this is way less than my country suggests, which is 2 weeks.
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Joking, but not trying to troll
So jokes aside, do you really think veganism is just eating a little less meat of a certain type?
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I think that's very optimistic. Looking at how COVID went, I have no faith at all in people's ability to stay calm. The government isn't going to be able to help those in need 3 days in with the masses of idiots around. No way.
Well, during COVID the idea was still that things should run as normally, with a market economy and stuff. During an actual war, any sensible government would immediately take control of the distribution of food, water, energy and other essentials. Scalpers would be immediately detained, rather than to allow them to run rampant.
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Vegetarian is not just "without meat", it means "no animal has to die for me". That also technically excludes some cheeses as they contain rennet (although this is often overlooked due to nescience). Plus we're only talking food right now, not clothing and other lifestyle products.
It bothers me that vegetarians don't care beyond this very un-though-through concept of 'animals dying'.
Dairy is a product of the mass rape and imprisonment of cows in horrific factory farms, and chickens are also kept in massively over crowded and unsanitary conditions.
And this is not to mention the constant cullings of male animals, which aren't considered food as testosterone tastes so bad, and male animals can't produce eggs or milk.
Or the constant culling of animals that no longer produce eggs or milk to quota.
Or the mass culling of the diseased or at risk of disease from being forced to live in such disgusting environments.
Vegetarianism is not a moral stance, it's delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
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Well, during COVID the idea was still that things should run as normally, with a market economy and stuff. During an actual war, any sensible government would immediately take control of the distribution of food, water, energy and other essentials. Scalpers would be immediately detained, rather than to allow them to run rampant.
One would hope so, but I bet you enough people would be influenced by a Russian disinformation campaign to trigger riots on the streets because "Russia is a friend, we are the aggressors" or whatever other bullshit they come up with. Then troops would have to be pulled away from the border to deal with the riots.
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Yeah, everyone should stock up on a year’s supply of food, at the very least.
That’s how long a war will likely last, anyway.
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If it's an actual war they can throw their weight around just fine. Actually, that happened during covid too. I don't remember starving.
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In case it's not clear by now, chocolate sometimes has milk and I guess OP doesn't like dark chocolate.
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Well, during COVID the idea was still that things should run as normally, with a market economy and stuff. During an actual war, any sensible government would immediately take control of the distribution of food, water, energy and other essentials. Scalpers would be immediately detained, rather than to allow them to run rampant.
Any sensible government would.
But any government consisting of a bunch of greedy opportunists who are only in it in order to enrich themselves, there is endless opportunity to become very rich by fucking over the public even more than in peacetime.
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It bothers me that vegetarians don't care beyond this very un-though-through concept of 'animals dying'.
Dairy is a product of the mass rape and imprisonment of cows in horrific factory farms, and chickens are also kept in massively over crowded and unsanitary conditions.
And this is not to mention the constant cullings of male animals, which aren't considered food as testosterone tastes so bad, and male animals can't produce eggs or milk.
Or the constant culling of animals that no longer produce eggs or milk to quota.
Or the mass culling of the diseased or at risk of disease from being forced to live in such disgusting environments.
Vegetarianism is not a moral stance, it's delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
I mean, plant agriculture isn't exactly great for wildlife either. Hell, being wildlife isn't great for wildlife. We theoretically could keep animals in a way that's fine for them, we just usually don't.
I eat a mix of free-range eggs and backyard eggs, and avoid milk where possible. Unfortunately the challenge scales pretty rapidly after that. Directly eating meat that can only be gotten in an unethical way feels a lot worse.
It’s delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
How does the math on that work? Less animals harmed is less animals harmed.
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Not war, but special military operation.
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It bothers me that vegetarians don't care beyond this very un-though-through concept of 'animals dying'.
Dairy is a product of the mass rape and imprisonment of cows in horrific factory farms, and chickens are also kept in massively over crowded and unsanitary conditions.
And this is not to mention the constant cullings of male animals, which aren't considered food as testosterone tastes so bad, and male animals can't produce eggs or milk.
Or the constant culling of animals that no longer produce eggs or milk to quota.
Or the mass culling of the diseased or at risk of disease from being forced to live in such disgusting environments.
Vegetarianism is not a moral stance, it's delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
I get what you want to say and principally, I agree. However, I would highly advise against making better the enemy of perfect. Vegetarians usually are on the right track, they're often just not educated enough, thinking that some animal products can be sourced ethically (as demonstrated by the other comment).
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I mean, plant agriculture isn't exactly great for wildlife either. Hell, being wildlife isn't great for wildlife. We theoretically could keep animals in a way that's fine for them, we just usually don't.
I eat a mix of free-range eggs and backyard eggs, and avoid milk where possible. Unfortunately the challenge scales pretty rapidly after that. Directly eating meat that can only be gotten in an unethical way feels a lot worse.
It’s delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
How does the math on that work? Less animals harmed is less animals harmed.
Free-range farming is barely a quality of life improvement over cages, look it up.
Only eating meat is only killing animals for meat.
Eating meat and dairy is both killing animals for meat, and raping and torturing animals for milk and eggs, which when these animals no longer produce to quota or become diseased, also gets them killed.
How is eating dairy harming fewer animals?
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants. There is no excuse.
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Free-range farming is barely a quality of life improvement over cages, look it up.
Only eating meat is only killing animals for meat.
Eating meat and dairy is both killing animals for meat, and raping and torturing animals for milk and eggs, which when these animals no longer produce to quota or become diseased, also gets them killed.
How is eating dairy harming fewer animals?
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants. There is no excuse.
Eating meat but not eggs and dairy isn't even really in the discussion, though. If I tried it would be even harder than being vegan, because people wouldn't even understand what I'm doing on top of it.
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants.
Sentence A does not follow from B.
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I get what you want to say and principally, I agree. However, I would highly advise against making better the enemy of perfect. Vegetarians usually are on the right track, they're often just not educated enough, thinking that some animal products can be sourced ethically (as demonstrated by the other comment).
In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.
If this were universally true, there would be a lot more vegans.
From my experience, vegetarians are more often than not, a way point towards eating meat again.
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Eating meat but not eggs and dairy isn't even really in the discussion, though. If I tried it would be even harder than being vegan, because people wouldn't even understand what I'm doing on top of it.
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants.
Sentence A does not follow from B.
Animal livestock is not required in the production of food from plants.
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In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.
If this were universally true, there would be a lot more vegans.
From my experience, vegetarians are more often than not, a way point towards eating meat again.
I didn't claim it was universally true.
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More likely they expect to be able to get support/reinforcement/aid in, within a couple of days.
It's big enough to be a useful stopgap, but small enough not to accidentally cause a run on the supermarkets. It also makes people think about it more. If they update it to 2 weeks later, people are more likely to have a feel for what they need, and what will keep.
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Animal livestock is not required in the production of food from plants.
Nor does livestock husbandry require rape, torture and consumption of animals.
I'd buy pasture-raised eggs instead if they were sold anywhere near me, by the way. And didn't buy anything when I had my own hens.
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More likely they expect to be able to get support/reinforcement/aid in, within a couple of days.
It's big enough to be a useful stopgap, but small enough not to accidentally cause a run on the supermarkets. It also makes people think about it more. If they update it to 2 weeks later, people are more likely to have a feel for what they need, and what will keep.
I think big part is that people would go out and empty the shelfs imediately if they all started stockpiling for two weeks starting tommorow.
I started getting a bit more everytime it was on sale about three years ago, and have a decent stockpile that probably lasts me for more than 4 weeks.. It's an art to not get too much so that you can eat it when it gets close to expiration date though, so it's better to not buy everything at once but to spread it out.
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Yeah, everyone should stock up on a year’s supply of food, at the very least.
That’s how long a war will likely last, anyway.
the problem is that you would need to eat canned food every other day to make sure it's not going bad
