I'm from EU and this is way less than my country suggests, which is 2 weeks.
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Not war, but special military operation.
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It bothers me that vegetarians don't care beyond this very un-though-through concept of 'animals dying'.
Dairy is a product of the mass rape and imprisonment of cows in horrific factory farms, and chickens are also kept in massively over crowded and unsanitary conditions.
And this is not to mention the constant cullings of male animals, which aren't considered food as testosterone tastes so bad, and male animals can't produce eggs or milk.
Or the constant culling of animals that no longer produce eggs or milk to quota.
Or the mass culling of the diseased or at risk of disease from being forced to live in such disgusting environments.
Vegetarianism is not a moral stance, it's delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
I get what you want to say and principally, I agree. However, I would highly advise against making better the enemy of perfect. Vegetarians usually are on the right track, they're often just not educated enough, thinking that some animal products can be sourced ethically (as demonstrated by the other comment).
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I mean, plant agriculture isn't exactly great for wildlife either. Hell, being wildlife isn't great for wildlife. We theoretically could keep animals in a way that's fine for them, we just usually don't.
I eat a mix of free-range eggs and backyard eggs, and avoid milk where possible. Unfortunately the challenge scales pretty rapidly after that. Directly eating meat that can only be gotten in an unethical way feels a lot worse.
It’s delusional and harms and kills animals at the same rate as eating both meat and dairy.
How does the math on that work? Less animals harmed is less animals harmed.
Free-range farming is barely a quality of life improvement over cages, look it up.
Only eating meat is only killing animals for meat.
Eating meat and dairy is both killing animals for meat, and raping and torturing animals for milk and eggs, which when these animals no longer produce to quota or become diseased, also gets them killed.
How is eating dairy harming fewer animals?
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants. There is no excuse.
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Free-range farming is barely a quality of life improvement over cages, look it up.
Only eating meat is only killing animals for meat.
Eating meat and dairy is both killing animals for meat, and raping and torturing animals for milk and eggs, which when these animals no longer produce to quota or become diseased, also gets them killed.
How is eating dairy harming fewer animals?
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants. There is no excuse.
Eating meat but not eggs and dairy isn't even really in the discussion, though. If I tried it would be even harder than being vegan, because people wouldn't even understand what I'm doing on top of it.
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants.
Sentence A does not follow from B.
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I get what you want to say and principally, I agree. However, I would highly advise against making better the enemy of perfect. Vegetarians usually are on the right track, they're often just not educated enough, thinking that some animal products can be sourced ethically (as demonstrated by the other comment).
In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.
If this were universally true, there would be a lot more vegans.
From my experience, vegetarians are more often than not, a way point towards eating meat again.
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Eating meat but not eggs and dairy isn't even really in the discussion, though. If I tried it would be even harder than being vegan, because people wouldn't even understand what I'm doing on top of it.
All animals livestock is unethical. There is no such thing as the ethical rape, torture and consumption of animals when humans can easily and cheaply live off plants.
Sentence A does not follow from B.
Animal livestock is not required in the production of food from plants.
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In my experience, vegetarianism often is just a waypoint towards veganism.
If this were universally true, there would be a lot more vegans.
From my experience, vegetarians are more often than not, a way point towards eating meat again.
I didn't claim it was universally true.
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More likely they expect to be able to get support/reinforcement/aid in, within a couple of days.
It's big enough to be a useful stopgap, but small enough not to accidentally cause a run on the supermarkets. It also makes people think about it more. If they update it to 2 weeks later, people are more likely to have a feel for what they need, and what will keep.
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Animal livestock is not required in the production of food from plants.
Nor does livestock husbandry require rape, torture and consumption of animals.
I'd buy pasture-raised eggs instead if they were sold anywhere near me, by the way. And didn't buy anything when I had my own hens.
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More likely they expect to be able to get support/reinforcement/aid in, within a couple of days.
It's big enough to be a useful stopgap, but small enough not to accidentally cause a run on the supermarkets. It also makes people think about it more. If they update it to 2 weeks later, people are more likely to have a feel for what they need, and what will keep.
I think big part is that people would go out and empty the shelfs imediately if they all started stockpiling for two weeks starting tommorow.
I started getting a bit more everytime it was on sale about three years ago, and have a decent stockpile that probably lasts me for more than 4 weeks.. It's an art to not get too much so that you can eat it when it gets close to expiration date though, so it's better to not buy everything at once but to spread it out.
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Yeah, everyone should stock up on a year’s supply of food, at the very least.
That’s how long a war will likely last, anyway.
the problem is that you would need to eat canned food every other day to make sure it's not going bad
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Some special military operations are planned like that
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So jokes aside, do you really think veganism is just eating a little less meat of a certain type?
No. Why do you assume I don't know what veganism is, after I already said I was joking? It's not eating animal food products, including not eating foods that contain some animal food products. Let's please finish this conversation...
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No. Why do you assume I don't know what veganism is, after I already said I was joking? It's not eating animal food products, including not eating foods that contain some animal food products. Let's please finish this conversation...
This is the internet and a text based medium. It is absolutely possible that you don't know what veganism is. That's why I asked instead of assuming.
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They cant say the real number or it would cause panic
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I'm from EU and this is way less than my country suggests, which is 2 weeks.
I actually have 2 weeks supplies, but I'm gonna eat baked beans and vegan chocolate and drink coke zero the last few days
Here we only have very short wars, because we've got other things to do.
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I think big part is that people would go out and empty the shelfs imediately if they all started stockpiling for two weeks starting tommorow.
I started getting a bit more everytime it was on sale about three years ago, and have a decent stockpile that probably lasts me for more than 4 weeks.. It's an art to not get too much so that you can eat it when it gets close to expiration date though, so it's better to not buy everything at once but to spread it out.
I've maintained a basic stock for a while now. I suspected people would panic buy with COVID. I stocked up well before, and so dodged most of it. I've kept an extra buffer since.
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Do they usually make chocolate with meat in your country?
P.S. Please stop buying Coca Cola/Pepsi/etc. Look for local substitutions.
It's 2025, how the fuck do you not know what Vegan means? People like you are why it's taking so long to make the world better.
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One would hope so, but I bet you enough people would be influenced by a Russian disinformation campaign to trigger riots on the streets because "Russia is a friend, we are the aggressors" or whatever other bullshit they come up with. Then troops would have to be pulled away from the border to deal with the riots.
I have acquaintances who are invested in the Russian propaganda, and this is very possible.
It’s insane, talking about it does nothing as the root issues are others.
I can’t help them.
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It is not just for war, but disasters in general, imagine a colapse or jamming of internet network or credit card buying or isolation from a flood or erathquake, help and minimum delivery infrastructures may take easily 3 days in effectively reach the people in need, is a reasonable amount to recover from the shock having around in average the minimum to survive in the mean time. Worse problems will be waiting for solution but this could save lives and improve significantly circumstances.
