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Elon Musk just offered to buy OpenAI for $97.4 billion

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  • S [email protected]

    It isn’t racist enough, so he has to take over and train it on nazi propaganda.

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    #125

    He offered to buy it with someone else's money and take the credit

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    • C [email protected]

      There's tons of alternatives out there now that are as good or better.

      If he gets it then clearly it will be the Confederate States ChatGPT.

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      There’s tons of alternatives out there now that are as good or better.

      Do you mean LLM's or other means to get factual info?

      It seems to me that LLM's are not a very good way to get factual information due to limitations of the technology (models try to write as plausible text as possible, not as factually correct as possible) Yet using search engines is a pain due to how many ChatGPT-generated SEO optimized websites are there, which are written not by experts in their fields, but random copywriters. I really have no idea where to get truth about anything at this point.

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      • flyingsquid@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

        Ok, that's fair. It is very hard to tell these days who is paying attention but overwhelmed and who is saying "this is all bad news, so I'm going to ignore it because I don't like hearing about bad things." The latter is the dangerous attitude. I'm glad it isn't yours, but unfortunately Lemmy is not free of it.

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        It's not "because I don't like hearing about bad things" but rather "I am focusing on what I can control instead of what I cannot control".

        It's a strategic move to maximize the good you can do for yourself and your immediate environment instead of dwelling on all the bad things happening to each one of the 8 billion people

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        • S [email protected]

          It isn’t racist enough, so he has to take over and train it on nazi propaganda.

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          This is corporate trolling. Open AI is trying to go public soon, and Elon did this to fuck with that.

          Massive oversimplification but basically:
          In the United States, you are required to take the best offer when selling a company, unless you can argue in court that you had reasons not to sell to whomever placed the highest bid.
          Because of this offer, as open AI attempts to go public, they will have to either to be close to Elon's bid, forced to sell to him, go to court and fight him ther, or be forced to remain private.

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          • E [email protected]

            and the US presidency for 290 million.

            So, about a dollar per American.

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            #129

            Everyone should've chipped in with a dollar and you'd have your own country! /s

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            • sneptaur@pawb.socialS [email protected]

              Deepseek only has censorship on their hosted site... if you run the open source model on your own hardware it doesn't seem to censor

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              I asked the locally-hosted version about Tienanmen Square and it gave an accurate description, but the wording was a bit sympathetic to the CCP. It was like "according to some people, this is what happened, but the government contests this."

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              • T [email protected]

                and sadly, the amount of people who use chatgpt to try and get factual information, is quite high... which makes this even more terrifying. It's about systematically gaining control of communication and information.

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                I've had people on Reddit and Lemmy dispute my comments by citing ChatGPT... AI is a really innovative wrench that people are using as a hammer.

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                • P [email protected]

                  Buy a company mostly with other people's money (he paid ~15B of the 44B offer) lose a lot, 70% or more but use it to win an election and gain 200B in profit.

                  Musk is a salesman and he's good at getting investors to get behind his crap. He's never produced actual value but that doesn't matter to stock values apparently.

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                  Tesla investors are starting to care, it seems.

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                  • E [email protected]

                    Everyone should've chipped in with a dollar and you'd have your own country! /s

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                    But that's socialism.

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                    • zecg@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                      OK, it just spits predicted tokens, but in answer to what you asked and sensitive to the context you provided and its predictions are arranged such that when you decode them into language they present evidence or arguments used in thinking or argumentation. It also forms conclusions, inferences and produces results to problems, if you allow me to recycle from a dictionary definition of "reasoning". It's not perfect and obviously you can't cram a huge amount into a 16b distillation and it certainly can get things wrong, but you have to squint to not see reasoning when you ask it to guesstimate something or solve a mathematical problem. It is an LLM but there's reasoning coming out?

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                      Yeah I see what you mean. There's a decent argument to be made that something like reasoning appears as an emergent property in this kind of system, I'll admit. Still, the fact that fundamentally the code works as a prediction engine rules out any sort of real cognition, even if it makes an impressive simulacrum. There's just no ability to invent, no true novelty, which -- to my mind at least -- is the hallmark of actual reasoning.

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                      • R [email protected]

                        even if openai are assholes, chatgpt is still useful for things as long as you dont put too much trust in it. If that fucker buys it they will turn it into racist shitspewing garbage. Without it, regular people will have no decent or easy way to utilize ai and this new tech will benefit only the rich who will use it to oppress us even worse.

                        Stinky isnt an idiot, i wish he was. Anything he buys he can and will use to cause harm to us. So this would be bad for us all.

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                        chatgpt is still useful for things as long as you dont put too much trust in it.

                        Yep, its very useful for generating buzzword salad, so I use it for cover letters for job postings.

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                        • M [email protected]

                          He can afford to pay twice the price of Twitter because he's using government money. Remember he barely swung the 44 billion for Twitter. Now he's buying something for more than double that? After putting code into the Treasury department computers to hide transactions?

                          Lmao.

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                          Yep, seems legit, eh? 🤣

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                          • S [email protected]

                            It isn’t racist enough, so he has to take over and train it on nazi propaganda.

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                            I wonder why his offer wasn't 69.420 billion?

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                              chatgpt is still useful for things as long as you dont put too much trust in it.

                              Yep, its very useful for generating buzzword salad, so I use it for cover letters for job postings.

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                              Pretty much what I use my locally hosted LLM for. Might not be as good as ChatGPT but I don't really care.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                OpenAI is not a public company and thus doesn’t have a fiduciary duty

                                Public companies only have fiduciary duty to their sharehoders to the extent that their corporate charters say that they do. It's entirely possible to launch a corporation that promises nothing to its shareholders, though it might be difficult to find investors.

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                                B Type corps have a fair number of investors, looking to invest. A lot of investors look for socially conscious investments.

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                                • L [email protected]

                                  This is corporate trolling. Open AI is trying to go public soon, and Elon did this to fuck with that.

                                  Massive oversimplification but basically:
                                  In the United States, you are required to take the best offer when selling a company, unless you can argue in court that you had reasons not to sell to whomever placed the highest bid.
                                  Because of this offer, as open AI attempts to go public, they will have to either to be close to Elon's bid, forced to sell to him, go to court and fight him ther, or be forced to remain private.

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                                  Lmao, musk is on record as making absurd offers and then trying everything he can to back out of them. I'm not sure why he offered this himself instead of getting a consortium of investors together to do so on his behalf without any involvement from him.

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                                  • canigou@jlai.luC [email protected]

                                    Where is the "hide Musk/DOGE/Trump related posts" button ?

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                                    I don't see this option sadly, only block instance/community/user. Would love to block Trump/Musks fucking faces from my life.

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                                      Lmao, musk is on record as making absurd offers and then trying everything he can to back out of them. I'm not sure why he offered this himself instead of getting a consortium of investors together to do so on his behalf without any involvement from him.

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                                      Isn't this what he did with Twitter and the courts forced him to honor the offer?

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                                      • L [email protected]

                                        This is corporate trolling. Open AI is trying to go public soon, and Elon did this to fuck with that.

                                        Massive oversimplification but basically:
                                        In the United States, you are required to take the best offer when selling a company, unless you can argue in court that you had reasons not to sell to whomever placed the highest bid.
                                        Because of this offer, as open AI attempts to go public, they will have to either to be close to Elon's bid, forced to sell to him, go to court and fight him ther, or be forced to remain private.

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                                        But they aren’t required to sell though.

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                                        • L [email protected]

                                          He offered to buy it with someone else's money and take the credit

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                                          I’ve never understood how you can take out a loan to buy a company, turn around and place all that debt on the company you just bought, and have no personal ramifications when the company goes belly up because the debt load is too high.

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