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Between this, Play Integrity API, and Google removing source code, they're basically declaring war on the openness of their own platform.
Well I think we are such a small percentage of users that care that it probably does not matter in the grand scheme. I just got on android in 24' when rcs started working because my large family network was always worried they would lose communication with me. Because you know the little green text bubble things don't get pictures and stuff from non iOS... People have no clue and don't care as long as the phone works to swipe on sorry videos
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How is this going to be enforced if you are just downloading apks? It states they will enforce verification across sources outside of the play store. This doesn't sound possible unless they just make stock android unable to side load
Maybe time to think of Huawei and remove Google from the mix at least there I can side-load.
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as opposed to simply DOWNloading from the app store
wrote last edited by [email protected]That’s the thing, downloading from another source is not opposed to downloading from the official store. It’s the same thing - downloading an executable and installing it on your device - with a different UX and warning screens.
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How is this going to be enforced if you are just downloading apks? It states they will enforce verification across sources outside of the play store. This doesn't sound possible unless they just make stock android unable to side load
Classic corporate move: come in attractive (open, rootable, etc) and once the competition is gone slowly make it more profitable on the customers expense.
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How is this going to be enforced if you are just downloading apks? It states they will enforce verification across sources outside of the play store. This doesn't sound possible unless they just make stock android unable to side load
wrote last edited by [email protected]They can't go to far down this line, they'll have antitrust issues. They're a mature company doing what mature companies do and letting the middle (marketing) managers who couldn't run a bath, run the company by focusing on cost reduction not earnings growth, and bury it.
We saw this with HP. Remember how we all used to buy HP printers for Linux? I still have my 1990s - please god - LaserJet and can still get toner.
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How is this going to be enforced if you are just downloading apks? It states they will enforce verification across sources outside of the play store. This doesn't sound possible unless they just make stock android unable to side load
i do not like this, will third party ROMs be the only options going forward?
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Well I think we are such a small percentage of users that care that it probably does not matter in the grand scheme. I just got on android in 24' when rcs started working because my large family network was always worried they would lose communication with me. Because you know the little green text bubble things don't get pictures and stuff from non iOS... People have no clue and don't care as long as the phone works to swipe on sorry videos
wrote last edited by [email protected]I didn't think they would either but it sure seems like they suddenly do...
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i do not like this, will third party ROMs be the only options going forward?
Well it says next year. And a lot could happen between then and now. Some comments think they will run into anti trust issues trying this.
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Classic corporate move: come in attractive (open, rootable, etc) and once the competition is gone slowly make it more profitable on the customers expense.
Classic Google move as well.
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How is this going to be enforced if you are just downloading apks? It states they will enforce verification across sources outside of the play store. This doesn't sound possible unless they just make stock android unable to side load
they want to identify them, and issue cease and desist, or buy them out, thats the real reason, and to acquire thier OS to lock down android even harder
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You are likely thinking of google play protect, which does the same verification on their platform's end (to try to remove bad actor developer accounts as soon as possible), and the local device end as well (to remove said developers apps if they are already installed on your device). But yes, at the base level, what arrives on your phone from the play store are just signed apk files. That's why mirror sites like apkmirror or apkpure can do what they do, by extracting said apks after they have been released onto the play store.
That's not quite all of it. It can also do diff updates (so you don't have to download the whole apk), staged rollouts and different builds for different devices. And of course it provides APIs for license management, in app purchases, update notifications, etc.
All of this could be achieved by using other services (like F-Droid) or custom build websites, but the convenience for the everyday user isn't quite the same. -
Classic corporate move: come in attractive (open, rootable, etc) and once the competition is gone slowly make it more profitable on the customers expense.
Don't be evil, completely dominate several markets, be evil.
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Tldr: if the device has google play services it will prevent u installing any app that doesn't have a developer who has handed their real identity over to google.
Would it be possible to adb force remove them and then no longer have a "certified" device?
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How is this going to be enforced if you are just downloading apks? It states they will enforce verification across sources outside of the play store. This doesn't sound possible unless they just make stock android unable to side load
Doesn't this clearly breach the DMA?
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Would it be possible to adb force remove them and then no longer have a "certified" device?
Most Roms these days allow disabling the google play store, you don't even need root to do it. Since enforcement will likely use the same tech as Play Protect (but without consent settings) disabling Play Store, and possibly GMS too will kill it outright.
They might implent changes in future Android versions to make this more difficult if not impossible though.
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Would it be possible to adb force remove them and then no longer have a "certified" device?
For the moment yes. How log that's gonna last is definitely debatable.
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i do not like this, will third party ROMs be the only options going forward?
I recommend you look into them, no matter what happens.
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Why do we even call it "sideloading"? I can install whatever I want on desktop, even whatever OS, so why not my phone? It is my phone, right?
I do not call it side-loading. Two of my tablets don't have any Google on it. The phone is running Play Services in a sandbox, as one of several options to get software.
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It can be disabled, right? Right?
Yes. It's called custom ROMs.
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Yes. It's called custom ROMs.
yes and no, unfortunately i need to use banking apps and the product managers who are giving the instructions for the app are complete assholes who put the most draconian detection systems
