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What is the most dangerous ideology in the world and what makes it dangerous?

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  • jackgreenearth@lemm.eeJ [email protected]

    Islam. A combination of misogyny, oppressive laws, puritanical beliefs, child mutilation, condemnation of curiosity, and a particular focus on growth of numbers by both birth and conversion. Other religions are close behind though.

    Edit: Didn't realise the OP was called Allah, lol

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    yeah that's my middle name, i don't think i can change your mind but i will say this that majority of followers of islam have bad beliefs

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      Isaac Asimov famously said, “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”.

      The idea that any idea is worth listening to because someone believes in it.

      Show me the proof.

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      I think any idea is worth listening to, it's the assertion that we must inherently accept their viewpoint as valid that is outright absurd.

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        Beauty. It gives everybody the illusion that they can decide or at least criticize everything. We will end with an unstable system where control becomes impossible and things collapse.

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          Nazism seem to be the worst since it's an awful mix of nationalism, imperialism, totalitarianism, state racism, eugenics.

          A nazi state basically invades its neighbors and genocide their inhabitants based on race, community or health condition.

          So far, only the Third Reich applied it, leading to World War II and the Holocaust, but Japan applied some similar behavior in Asia during WWII.

          Bonus point: it doesn't even oppose capitalism, so rich people can still greed.

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            Capitalism is well on its way to making the planet uninhabitable so Imma have to go with that.

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              TESCREAL
              Because it serves as an excuse for the oligarchs to do whatever they want regardless of the current impact of their actions with the promise of future benefits

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                The certainty of being right.

                Why? Because when (any)one is sure to be right it means the other must be wrong and since they're wrong they probably should not even be allowed to say what they have to say.

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                  Neither is this about an ideology per se nor is this quote my own - but I've read this somewhere -

                  "The greatest threat to our planet is the belief that someone else will save it."

                  • Robert Swan (British explorer and environmental activist)
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                    Neoliberalism. The belief that owners of corporations should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, because corporations always create the best outcome possible for society.

                    The result is stuff like the US Opioid Crisis. Purdue Pharma knew that opioid pharmaceuticals were extremely addictive. For decades, they lied and said it was not addictive. In private, they laughed about their victims.

                    They bribed doctors and dentists to overprescribe it:

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/health/purdue-opioids-oxycontin.html

                    https://www.latimes.com/projects/oxycontin-part1/

                    They also paid think-tanks to defend them and aggressively challenged negative media coverage:

                    https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-purdue-pharma-media-playbook-how-it-planted-the-opioid-anti-story

                    The tobacco companies used the same techniques before western governments cracked down on them.

                    In the 90s, they tried to prevent governments from acting by bribing politicians:

                    An NPR review of McConnell's relationship with the tobacco industry over the decades has found that McConnell repeatedly cast doubt on the health consequences of smoking, repeated industry talking points word-for-word, attacked federal regulators at the industry's request and opposed bipartisan tobacco regulations going back decades.

                    Soon after McConnell won a U.S. Senate seat, he was invited to the Tobacco Institute's boardroom to give a speech in January 1985. The documents also reveal that McConnell and his Senate office frequently accepted gifts from tobacco industry lobbyists

                    The gifts included tickets to NFL and NBA games, a production of Dostoevsky's Crime And Punishment, a Ringo Starr concert, "top-quality brandy," and what McConnell called a "beautiful ham."

                    When McConnell has sought re-election, tobacco company employees and PACs have typically donated to McConnell more than to any other member of Congress, according to data from the Center For Responsive Politics. Since 1989, he has received at least $650,000

                    One of the most striking episodes revealed in the tobacco industry documents came in October 1998. Just a few months earlier, McConnell helped defeat major tobacco legislation championed by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

                    The McCain bill would have ratified and strengthened the proposed settlement between the tobacco industry and attorneys general from most of the states. It would have also allowed FDA regulation of nicotine and penalized companies that failed to reduce teen smoking.

                    McConnell, who had repeatedly clashed with McCain over campaign finance legislation, helped lead the opposition. "We know, of course, that only 2% of smokers are teenagers," McConnell said.

                    (In fact, nearly 90% of all smokers begin before they turn 18 years old.)

                    "That to me is the most egregious incident that I have seen about the appearance of corruption since I have been a member of the United States Senate," McCain later said of McConnell

                    https://www.npr.org/2019/06/17/730496066/tobaccos-special-friend-what-internal-documents-say-about-mitch-mcconnell

                    In many countries, tobacco corporations are still using mafia methods:

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/12/big-tobacco-dirty-war-africa-market

                    For neoliberals, the corporations should decide what is acceptable or not. If there is a profitable market for something, then it means it should be legal. Period. They don't give a shit about selling addictive poison to kids, destroying the environment or underpaying workers. Corporate profits are their religion.

                    Neoliberals believe citizens or lawmakers should never try to fix injustice, because corporations can't create injustice. And if they want to be involved and threaten corporate profits, you have to punch them in the nose.

                    In 1951, Jacobo Árbenz was democratically elected President of Guatemala. He wanted to tax rich banana companies and ensure they didn't own all the land. So the United Fruit Company lobbied the CIA to overthrow him. Allen Dulles, the director of the CIA, accepted immediately. His brother, wealthy businessman John Foster Dulles, was chairman of United Fruits International. So the President Árbenz was violently overthrowed. At least 9000 people were killed.

                    That's extreme neoliberalism.

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                      Didn't realise the OP was called Allah

                      Yeah, that and their defence of religion makes me question whether or not they ask this in good faith

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                      I'm surprised by the number of downvotes I got, not that I particularly care about them per se, but the implication that so many people are either Muslim or support Islam on Lemmy is worrying.

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                        yeah that's my middle name, i don't think i can change your mind but i will say this that majority of followers of islam have bad beliefs

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                        If most Muslims have bad beliefs, what's the common denominator/cause?

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                          Look out for number one. Selfishness is at the root of most dangers to humanity.

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                            I think any idea is worth listening to, it's the assertion that we must inherently accept their viewpoint as valid that is outright absurd.

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                            I felt this way until recently, when I'm becoming much more aware of how limited our collective attention is. Every honest belief probably deserves to have one (maybe 3) reasonable people listen to it. But they definitely aren't all worth national/state/city/expert attention.

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                              Any, all and each one of them. The moment you stop looking at how things are, you are finished and set right on the course of bringing unjustified pain and suffering

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                                Capitalism is well on its way to making the planet uninhabitable so Imma have to go with that.

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                                This is surely the correct answer and for the reason you give.

                                If we're honest (and informed - a big ask, here) then we should concede that capitalism has been generally good for our species. A quadrupling of human population at the same time as a doubling in longevity - the numbers don't lie and they perfectly track the victory of capitalism as the world's economic system. Leftists don't want to hear it, but it's clearly true.

                                But whatever this ideology did for humanity, it has been a complete disaster for all the other forms of life that we share our planet with. And that fact is going to catch up with us soon enough.

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                                  Ignorance.

                                  It's practiced by many, in alignment with arrogance. Many different flags, cloths, creeds and livelihoods depend on it.

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                                    Nazism seem to be the worst since it's an awful mix of nationalism, imperialism, totalitarianism, state racism, eugenics.

                                    A nazi state basically invades its neighbors and genocide their inhabitants based on race, community or health condition.

                                    So far, only the Third Reich applied it, leading to World War II and the Holocaust, but Japan applied some similar behavior in Asia during WWII.

                                    Bonus point: it doesn't even oppose capitalism, so rich people can still greed.

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                                    Well, Israel seem determined to resurrect it

                                    Oh the irony...

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                                      Any ideology may be dangerous. People who are convinced they're tuned into a privileged view on reality may be willing to kill others to protect it. Human history is full of proofs of that.

                                      "On the whole I think that knowledge is preferable to ignorance, and I am sure that human sympathy is more valuable than ideology." — Kenneth Clark

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                                        Its not necessarily an ideology but all the worst ideologies have at root a lack of empathy and active methods to extinguish any trace of it. So lack of empathy or the violent suppression of it root and stem

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                                          TESCREAL

                                          It ends in either replacing humans with AGI or massive atrocities in an attempt to achieve it.

                                          And there are people in positions of real power who believe in this stuff and act on it.

                                          Andreessen posted a manifesto where he said that deliberately delaying AGI is basically mass murder and should be treated as such.

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