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        We could do this already with flatpak apps

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          While I enthusiastically agree woth the whole thing, I can somewhat get behind RenderDoc's "making it configurable would take some work".

          However, Flatpak's "fucking cry about it" attitude is why I'll avoid using Flatpak for as long as possible.

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            fraid I generated a tl;dr for this rather verbose article:

            "Home directories are a mess because too many apps ignore XDG spec and dump dotfiles everywhere. The problem isn’t just legacy software—new apps do it too, often out of ignorance or laziness. Windows has similar issues with profile folders. Fixing it requires devs to actually follow standards, but many resist due to inertia or 'my way is better' thinking. Users should push back and demand proper XDG compliance to keep $HOME clean."

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              We could do this already with flatpak apps

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              Yeah, flatpaks that just write into $HOME/.var are a prime example of how not to do it.

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                Yeah, flatpaks that just write into $HOME/.var are a prime example of how not to do it.

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                  I hate all the cruft in my home directory, but I also hate when stuff suddently stop working after an update, or when all the documentation online talks about something that doesn't work on my system or is not there anymore. Developers are the ones that will have to deal with people with these issues, so I can see why they are reluctant to implement the naive solutions that some ask for.

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                    My home directory has its own nearly full 300gb partition, so it could be better...

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                      auto main() -> int

                      What programming language is this even?!

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                        auto main() -> int

                        What programming language is this even?!

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                        That just seems like int main() with extra steps

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                          That just seems like int main() with extra steps

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                          Defining the return type that way can be used when dealing with template sorcery - there's no use for it here though, not even for readability in any way.

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                            fraid I generated a tl;dr for this rather verbose article:

                            "Home directories are a mess because too many apps ignore XDG spec and dump dotfiles everywhere. The problem isn’t just legacy software—new apps do it too, often out of ignorance or laziness. Windows has similar issues with profile folders. Fixing it requires devs to actually follow standards, but many resist due to inertia or 'my way is better' thinking. Users should push back and demand proper XDG compliance to keep $HOME clean."

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                            my favorite bit is how hostile some are after all this time about xdg beyond a simple WONTFIX https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XDG_Base_Directory#Hardcoded

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                              I wish everything was put into ~/.config or whatever the proper place was. Oh you're used to your ssh config being ~/.ssh as it has for years? So make a symlink! Everyone wins.

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                                I have recentlly created a data directory in my home dir, and moved almost everything I need to it. Even configs and program data are in it somewhere I find ok, and symlinked to the xdg dirs (I know i can make my new location the xdg dir for config and data, but this way I selectively add stuff to my now main config, so it remains more pristine)

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                                  I wish everything was put into ~/.config or whatever the proper place was. Oh you're used to your ssh config being ~/.ssh as it has for years? So make a symlink! Everyone wins.

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                                  Monocultures are great every 20 years, but Spock would say 'IDIC'.

                                  Systemd, networkManager, 'consistent' naming; were it not for bleeding edge vs enterprise, and the packaging differences they bring, you'd only have the logos to discern SuSE from Kubuntu.

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                                    We could do this already with flatpak apps

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                                    Not a ringing endorsement. Of anything.

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                                      Here's the closest thing we have to a solution: xdg-ninja

                                      It looks in your home for known files and folders outside of the proper xdg locations and tells you if and how you can move them to their proper place

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                                        I read most of his points and I agree with them...

                                        But I have so much else to worry about, I just can't get worked up about this.

                                        And I think he is ignoring the firestorm that would ensue if, say, openssh tried to change from using the current directory. There would probably be five forks started immediately to restore the original functionality - and is ssh really adding new features like he claims?

                                        Maybe it could be a config option in the site install (which I thought it already was), but forcing a change to fix what is a minor problem isn't worth the headache.

                                        I do hate that some of those package systems install software into home. It inflates my backups dramatically and unnecessarily. I use opt for that sort of thing instead. For example, my immich socket install is in /opt.

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