U.S. Has Attacked Iran's Nuclear Facilities
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- W. Bush says Iran is in Axis of Evil bullshit basically telling Iran "you're next!" while invading Iraq. Iran starts a nuclear program in response.
- Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
- Trump cancels that treaty and assassinates an Iranian General
- Biden tries to restore the Obama treaty, but Iran doesn't trust the US (wonder why?). So no treaty, but also no war with Iran.
- Trump gets in again drops some really big bombs on Iran
"BOTH SIDES!" say both the MAGAs and leftists in unison.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
I don't understand how anyone could be so blatant about their own mental gymnastics.
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Hey dude, we didn't all vote for him
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The other half voted for Biden (yes, I know, different election, but they did, minus rounding errors). 17.8 billion in military aid to Israel under his leadership, in addition to the 3.8 billion a year for an entire decade that Obama set up. It is not the president, it's not the GOP, it's the country. When Harris bragged at the DNC that she would make the US military the most lethal fighting force on the planet, do you feel like she was implying that she would have them sit on their hands?
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Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
I don't understand how anyone could be so blatant about their own mental gymnastics.
Are you not aware of the treaty? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
Or are you not aware that Obama won the Noble Peace Prize?
Or maybe you just don't have a sense of humour so you think a joke about Obama getting the Nobel Prize before doing the treaty is "mental gymnastics"?
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Yeah, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats would not have supported Israel in Iran, same as how they didn't support Israel in Yemen, or in Lebanon, or in Gaza, or in Syria, or in...
You're doing the leftist reductive thing so complex issues become a simplistic "it's all the system, man..."
This doesn't make you look as clever as you think it does. It'll eventually turn you into a conspiracy nut where everything is because of "them". Please make an effort to stay on topic.
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Hey dude, we didn't all vote for him
Half of you did. What a dumb nation
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Are you not aware of the treaty? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
Or are you not aware that Obama won the Noble Peace Prize?
Or maybe you just don't have a sense of humour so you think a joke about Obama getting the Nobel Prize before doing the treaty is "mental gymnastics"?
Ah, sorry a lot of folks here are getting a bit wacky with apologia, and I could see them actually putting forward the nobel peace price as an argument for Obama not being a war criminal, so I did take it a bit too seriously. Poe's law I guess. My apologies!
That said, he is a war criminal though, and I feel like you're cherry picking little bits out of all the presidencies to confirm your point.
Here's an example in the other direction, maybe it'll help you see how unconvincing an argument you're making:
- Clinton: illegal bombing of Yugoslavia, sanctions in Iraq that have been estimated to kill 500k children.
- Obama accelerated the drone program, killing 10s of thousands of Afghanis. Under his leadership, and entire wedding party was murdered in Yemen. Pledged 3.8 billion dollars a year for a decade in military aid to the apartheid ethnostate Israel as they were regularly bombing the Gaza strip. Pledged not to persecute the CIA operarives who carried out the torture of uncharged civilians.
- Trump withdrew from Afghanistan.
- Biden sent 17.9 billion dollars in nilitary aid to Israel as they were carrying out the genocide in Gaza. Bombed Syria.
You'll note that I omitted Bush. He was really bad. Like, Hitler bad. Not a redeeming quality about him.
At any rate the point is that every single president since Eisenhower, every single one, no exceptions, has been a war criminal, and pretending that any one of them was pro peace is a joke.
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I said empire, not president. Dems aren't opposing the war.
Trump didn't seek congressional approval before the strike.
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Half of you did. What a dumb nation
These young kids are a waste of life..
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Pakistan could back Iran while India backs Israel. It has the potential to escalate.
There is never 0 potential for escalation in a world political context. The question is how realistic it is...
And Pakistan and Iran are not really best buddies. There is also the potential of them attacking each other. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/world/iran-pakistan-attacks-tensions-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html
Furthermore: From a few weeks ago, we already know that it doesn't need Iran for India and Pakistan to attack each other... Last time, it did not end in a world war.
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You're doing the leftist reductive thing so complex issues become a simplistic "it's all the system, man..."
This doesn't make you look as clever as you think it does. It'll eventually turn you into a conspiracy nut where everything is because of "them". Please make an effort to stay on topic.
Oh, it's not the "system, man", it's you. As in, you, @[email protected], personally. You are the exact person I'm thinking about when I say this, and it's frankly amazing you decided to throw your hat in ring here, while simultaneously defending attacks on Iran elsewhere.
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Ugh. This kind of hits hard.
I know people who are active in the military (yes they are stupid and yes it doesn't take much analysis to figure out they're probably magats). In particular I know several who have been to Kuwait and seem to regularly get stationed there.
I've known several people who died by suicide from PTSD from Kuwait, or Iraq.
There's a girl, she's a sergeant. She's in until 2028, been to Kuwait already. I don't know if she's even 23. She certainly doesn't come off as a magat. But it doesn't really matter. 23 is an adult yes. But to me? I'm 34? She's just starting life out. To get killed in this kind of war is gross.
There's fucking nothing traumatic happening in Kuwait right now. Or in that last 20 years for that matter. Get your head out of your ass. What is this bullshit pulling on your heartstrings fearmongering nonsense comment. "She's been to Kuwait already" dumbass I've been to all the bases in Kuwait multiple times it's chill. They train and they have a taco bell. It's admin HQ for operations nearby
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When it comes to democracy in foreign countries usa always go all in war, bombing civilians... but when it comes to their own democracy they are to scared they will do/say something that will get them cancelled
Democracy was not even mentioned by any one in the orange mans administration. The us is well past such excuses.
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The US empire is a cancer on humanity
Almost every American just wants to stay home and play video games, we didn't want any of this. We wanted healthcare.
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Half of you did. What a dumb nation
wrote on last edited by [email protected]You're right, and what you need to understand is that the reason half of our idiots voted for an idiot is because we allowed corporations to atomize society so people didn't mix anymore, we don't have shared perspectives of the world anymore, everyone gets their information about literally everything algorithmically. This atomization of society is what took down the USA and it's coming for you next if it's not already happening wherever you are.
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Yankee go home. And stay there.
When the corporations start dividing your population and guaranteeing their own interests over democracy, look at what happened to us and learn from it. It doesn't stop here.
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The only reason you people care so strongly is because of the "51st state" crap. You're the same small, scared little people that every American is, that any person is, really.
If you think upending your life to start an insurgency on behalf of other people, people on the other side of the planet even, should be expected behavior, why don't you slide on down here and show us how it's done? Let's see your face and a body count on CNN.
Imagine having the gall to not only say you won't fix your problems, but then call on others to go and fix it as well.
Americans really are the laziest people.
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So usa dropping another 1 trillion and 20 years for nothing?
What do you mean for nothing? That's $1Tril going to Trump's buddies! /s
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Yeah, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats would not have supported Israel in Iran, same as how they didn't support Israel in Yemen, or in Lebanon, or in Gaza, or in Syria, or in...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]If Kamala had won, I (trans latina) would not have had to flee the US. But they're both the exact same amirite? (I'm honestly a little grateful for that. The US is trash. I'm never moving back)
Edit: my point is that people are literally fleeing the US because it's a sinking ship. Under Kamala, immigration and tourism wouldn't have changed much
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Doesn't a world war require someone backing Iran? Or do you mean "the whole world vs Iran"?
Russia is busy, Hamas is not available, Hisbollah is not available, Syria is not interested anymore, Huthis will send a few rockets again...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The US is going to war with Iran on behalf of Israel. Russia is at war with Ukraine. Russia is Iran's ally. The US thinks it's Russia's ally. The EU is supposed to be helping Ukraine. Israel is on a conquest mission, backed by the US, to colonize the Middle East. India and Pakistan have their thing going on. The US is threatening to invade Mexico, Canada, and Greenland. And that's just a small slice of the world.
Do you not see how this can easily spiral into an absolute clusterfuck?
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This could very easily spiral into a full-on WW3 scenario. Note, WW3 may not look like what you expect it to look like. We've been culturally conditioned to think WW3 will look like thousands of mushroom clouds over major cities, but that need not be the case. WW3 could be a large conventional war just like the previous world wars.
Russia is already bogged down in Ukraine, and the US and NATO are supplying them. Israel is at war with a half a dozen countries, and the US is supporting them, including directly entering the war on Iran. The danger of WW3 lies is revealed when you ask, why did Israel choose this time to attack Iran? They chose to because now was simply the perfect opportunity. With Iran's proxy fighters around Israel devastated, with the Gaza a smoking ruin, Iranian power is lower than it has been in years. That's why they decided to do this now - kick them while they're down.
Us getting bogged down in Iran, however, presents other countries with their own windows of opportunity. And the biggest one is China invading Taiwan. China has been saber-rattling and openly planning an invasion of Taiwan, to be done at some point in the next few years. What better time to launch it than when the US has already been depleting their limited weapon stocks in Ukraine, and just got bogged down in Iran?
China is already involved in the Ukraine conflict; they're one of Russia's biggest suppliers. Iran also is a Russian ally, providing them thousands of drones. The alliance system of a potential world war is already laid out. It would be Russia/Iran/China vs the US, NATO, and assorted allies.
This would be unlikely to end up in a full nuclear exchange. Direct invasion of the homelands of Russia, China, or the US are not going to happen. But we could see multiple large conventional armed conflicts breaking out in multiple theaters, a conflict between two vast alliance systems that between them encompass most of the world's population.
If that isn't a world war, I don't know what is. Nukes don't need to fly to have a conflict that leaves millions dead.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It would be Russia/Iran/China vs the US, NATO, and assorted allies.
I honestly don't think the US has its traditional allies any more. Why should Canada get involved in defense of a bully who is threatening to invade it?
Israel is the third variable in the equation since everyone is subservient to it, so who knows what will happen there
