U.S. Has Attacked Iran's Nuclear Facilities
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Strangely yes. This jacks up the price of oil in a way that doesn't dirty Putin's hands. It's a bit of a weird play but makes some sense.
Plus the whole world destabilization thing
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Yup. When have established powers ever liked a revolutionary government? We don't have to like the type of revolution Iran underwent to acknowledge that it was a radical revolutionary government in the literal sense of the term. No country on Earth has a form of government like Iran's. It's pretty unique. Any time a decent sized country tries is taken over by revolutionaries who attempt a radically new form of government, they receive immense opposition from the old powers. All of Europe declared war on France for chopping the head off their king. Every western government embargoed the people Haiti for daring to violently overthrow their slavers. An expeditionary army of numerous capitalist powers invaded the nascent Soviet Union to try and shut it down. And Iran has been under massive sanctions since they dared to throw their western-backed dictator out by force.
Established powers always try to clamp down on any kind of revolutionary government. It's not that they fear the government itself; they fear the ideas that government represents. Iran needed to be punished. It needed to be embargoed into poverty. They couldn't just let Iran try out its new form of government and let them sort themselves out. Because if Iran can overthrow a western-backed puppet and seize control over their own natural resources? Well that's an idea that could spread far and wide.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]After existing since 1979, Iran's government is pretty far from "revolutionary". In fact, looking at their domestic policy, I'll call them reactionary without a second thought.
Their most "revolutionary" thought probably was: "let's export our theocracy to other lands".
They are a symptom however. The shah was so unpopular (read: repressive) that islamists were able to take over. The shah was propped up by the UK and US in the 1950-ties, in a coup, because Iran nationalized oil industries.
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When it comes to democracy in foreign countries usa always go all in war, bombing civilians... but when it comes to their own democracy they are to scared they will do/say something that will get them cancelled
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The only reason you people care so strongly is because of the "51st state" crap. You're the same small, scared little people that every American is, that any person is, really.
If you think upending your life to start an insurgency on behalf of other people, people on the other side of the planet even, should be expected behavior, why don't you slide on down here and show us how it's done? Let's see your face and a body count on CNN.
Excuses, excuses, excuses
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- W. Bush says Iran is in Axis of Evil bullshit basically telling Iran "you're next!" while invading Iraq. Iran starts a nuclear program in response.
- Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
- Trump cancels that treaty and assassinates an Iranian General
- Biden tries to restore the Obama treaty, but Iran doesn't trust the US (wonder why?). So no treaty, but also no war with Iran.
- Trump gets in again drops some really big bombs on Iran
"BOTH SIDES!" say both the MAGAs and leftists in unison.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats would not have supported Israel in Iran, same as how they didn't support Israel in Yemen, or in Lebanon, or in Gaza, or in Syria, or in...
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Doesn't a world war require someone backing Iran? Or do you mean "the whole world vs Iran"?
Russia is busy, Hamas is not available, Hisbollah is not available, Syria is not interested anymore, Huthis will send a few rockets again...
Pakistan could back Iran while India backs Israel. It has the potential to escalate.
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What's next? Launching a war against the Ukraine to please Putin?
You dumb fucking orange man.
Who would stop him?
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I was kinda hoping the US would collapse into civil war before they helped start WW3.
Bugger.
The drives too long for your average US Citizen. at least that was the common excuse on the other site. "Drive is too long to DC" or "I have a job that's tied to my medical insurance" Best they could do was ONE day of protest. On a Saturday.
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- W. Bush says Iran is in Axis of Evil bullshit basically telling Iran "you're next!" while invading Iraq. Iran starts a nuclear program in response.
- Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
- Trump cancels that treaty and assassinates an Iranian General
- Biden tries to restore the Obama treaty, but Iran doesn't trust the US (wonder why?). So no treaty, but also no war with Iran.
- Trump gets in again drops some really big bombs on Iran
"BOTH SIDES!" say both the MAGAs and leftists in unison.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
I don't understand how anyone could be so blatant about their own mental gymnastics.
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Hey dude, we didn't all vote for him
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The other half voted for Biden (yes, I know, different election, but they did, minus rounding errors). 17.8 billion in military aid to Israel under his leadership, in addition to the 3.8 billion a year for an entire decade that Obama set up. It is not the president, it's not the GOP, it's the country. When Harris bragged at the DNC that she would make the US military the most lethal fighting force on the planet, do you feel like she was implying that she would have them sit on their hands?
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Obama fixed things by making a treaty with Iran, and got the Nobel Peace Prize (though not in that order which was a bit weird, but whatever)
I don't understand how anyone could be so blatant about their own mental gymnastics.
Are you not aware of the treaty? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
Or are you not aware that Obama won the Noble Peace Prize?
Or maybe you just don't have a sense of humour so you think a joke about Obama getting the Nobel Prize before doing the treaty is "mental gymnastics"?
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Yeah, you're right. I'm sure the Democrats would not have supported Israel in Iran, same as how they didn't support Israel in Yemen, or in Lebanon, or in Gaza, or in Syria, or in...
You're doing the leftist reductive thing so complex issues become a simplistic "it's all the system, man..."
This doesn't make you look as clever as you think it does. It'll eventually turn you into a conspiracy nut where everything is because of "them". Please make an effort to stay on topic.
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Hey dude, we didn't all vote for him
Half of you did. What a dumb nation
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Are you not aware of the treaty? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action
Or are you not aware that Obama won the Noble Peace Prize?
Or maybe you just don't have a sense of humour so you think a joke about Obama getting the Nobel Prize before doing the treaty is "mental gymnastics"?
Ah, sorry a lot of folks here are getting a bit wacky with apologia, and I could see them actually putting forward the nobel peace price as an argument for Obama not being a war criminal, so I did take it a bit too seriously. Poe's law I guess. My apologies!
That said, he is a war criminal though, and I feel like you're cherry picking little bits out of all the presidencies to confirm your point.
Here's an example in the other direction, maybe it'll help you see how unconvincing an argument you're making:
- Clinton: illegal bombing of Yugoslavia, sanctions in Iraq that have been estimated to kill 500k children.
- Obama accelerated the drone program, killing 10s of thousands of Afghanis. Under his leadership, and entire wedding party was murdered in Yemen. Pledged 3.8 billion dollars a year for a decade in military aid to the apartheid ethnostate Israel as they were regularly bombing the Gaza strip. Pledged not to persecute the CIA operarives who carried out the torture of uncharged civilians.
- Trump withdrew from Afghanistan.
- Biden sent 17.9 billion dollars in nilitary aid to Israel as they were carrying out the genocide in Gaza. Bombed Syria.
You'll note that I omitted Bush. He was really bad. Like, Hitler bad. Not a redeeming quality about him.
At any rate the point is that every single president since Eisenhower, every single one, no exceptions, has been a war criminal, and pretending that any one of them was pro peace is a joke.
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I said empire, not president. Dems aren't opposing the war.
Trump didn't seek congressional approval before the strike.
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Half of you did. What a dumb nation
These young kids are a waste of life..
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Pakistan could back Iran while India backs Israel. It has the potential to escalate.
There is never 0 potential for escalation in a world political context. The question is how realistic it is...
And Pakistan and Iran are not really best buddies. There is also the potential of them attacking each other. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/18/world/iran-pakistan-attacks-tensions-explainer-intl-hnk/index.html
Furthermore: From a few weeks ago, we already know that it doesn't need Iran for India and Pakistan to attack each other... Last time, it did not end in a world war.
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You're doing the leftist reductive thing so complex issues become a simplistic "it's all the system, man..."
This doesn't make you look as clever as you think it does. It'll eventually turn you into a conspiracy nut where everything is because of "them". Please make an effort to stay on topic.
Oh, it's not the "system, man", it's you. As in, you, @[email protected], personally. You are the exact person I'm thinking about when I say this, and it's frankly amazing you decided to throw your hat in ring here, while simultaneously defending attacks on Iran elsewhere.
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Ugh. This kind of hits hard.
I know people who are active in the military (yes they are stupid and yes it doesn't take much analysis to figure out they're probably magats). In particular I know several who have been to Kuwait and seem to regularly get stationed there.
I've known several people who died by suicide from PTSD from Kuwait, or Iraq.
There's a girl, she's a sergeant. She's in until 2028, been to Kuwait already. I don't know if she's even 23. She certainly doesn't come off as a magat. But it doesn't really matter. 23 is an adult yes. But to me? I'm 34? She's just starting life out. To get killed in this kind of war is gross.
There's fucking nothing traumatic happening in Kuwait right now. Or in that last 20 years for that matter. Get your head out of your ass. What is this bullshit pulling on your heartstrings fearmongering nonsense comment. "She's been to Kuwait already" dumbass I've been to all the bases in Kuwait multiple times it's chill. They train and they have a taco bell. It's admin HQ for operations nearby
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When it comes to democracy in foreign countries usa always go all in war, bombing civilians... but when it comes to their own democracy they are to scared they will do/say something that will get them cancelled
Democracy was not even mentioned by any one in the orange mans administration. The us is well past such excuses.
