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Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

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  • curious_canid@lemmy.caC [email protected]

    The ratio of poor to ultra wealthy is far greater than a million to one. Other than that, the only practical reason they have for not doing it is that they still need human labor for most of what they do. That isn't going to change anytime soon, despite AI. However, they don't need their labor force to be free or happy, which is why the US is on the cusp of a fascist takeover.

    The rule of law has largely stopped mattering to the ultra wealthy. It may occasionally inconvenience them, but they know it will never affect them in any personal way.

    Not all of the ultra wealthy are socipaths. Unfortunately, terminal-stage capitalism does a surprisingly good job of selecting for sociopathy at the very top of the hierarchy. Becoming that rich requires both a strong belief that you deserve it and a disregard for how acquiring it harms others.

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    One weird thing I noticed is the children inheriting the welth also tend to be psycho. Perhaps having everything you need destroys empathy?

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      It's not normal. It's ok until the majority of America accepts what can really be done with that database Trump is having Palantir build.

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      i think the military has been using thiels palintir for at least 10 years already. TRump just made it more obvious, because hes a loudmouth. thiel loved to stay out of the spotlight of the news for many reasons. everytime he was in the news, its never is good for him.

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        Then who would they lord over and whose hard work would they make their money off of, on the other hand using these threats to bring back slavery feels like the scarier future to me

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        They can have a large zoo

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          Who's Palantir? I sort if live under a rock. Yes I looked it up. I'm asking for the general scoop.

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          Palantir, as you know is the all seeing stone in LOTR, THiel is obsessed with LOTR for the wrong reasons, he named several companies after lotr themes: MITHIRL, andurl, lembas,,,etc. Peter thiel is the funds behind AI tech that palantir uses, which is used by the military and now by Some LEO. basically a spying software with AI.

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            I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It's probably a lot more than 0.

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            or allowing israeli settlers to forcibly take palestinian homes, i saw all those videos onr eddit, where they were rushing tino areas to sieze homes.

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            • S [email protected]

              Why not?

              Daily on Lemmy there are thousands of calls to murder X or Y person who doesn't agree with collectivist ideology.

              Why would it be different for them?

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              Because lemmings that try doing it would be pulled in front of a judge if they went public about it afterwards. It would a) just be a single person that would b) face consequences for that action.

              Israel on the other hand is a state level actor killing civilians in another jurisdiction. I know it's just another war crime between many others at this point, but it bears noticing just how little the consequences have become

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                Who is someone? What is the proof of the murder?

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                I need names and addresses! For... Reasons unrelated to any lethal plans

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                  So Netanyahu let close to 1200 Israelis die of which 736 were civilians? Are any Israelis condemning him for that?

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                  Yes. There are a lot of protests against him. It's just not enough.

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                    You miss the point. If they get AI to the point where it can replicate our work "well enough", it won't need to even be intelligent or invent new things.

                    They won't need to care about money, if they get to the point where AI produces and maintains everything for them.

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                    I understand completely what you're saying and I have considered it. I just don't believe we'll ever get to the point where a fully automated system produces all necessary goods for high standard of living without human labour required. Worse, even if we get to the point where significantly less labour is required, history informs us that the unemployed would very likely revolt and take power through violence. Especially because we won't be able to go from the status quo to a state where we neutralize revolting people automatically in a short enough time frame for people to be caught by surprise and unable to revolt. Not to mention that a part of such a revolt would likely include the stoppage of work by people who work on, maintain and operate the automation. I think the most likely scenario as we go down this path would be the formation of militant labour unions that take power back from the rich and steer automation into producing for the majority. Whether we go away from capitalism through this change or reshape it, I don't have a guess.

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                      This why they are so obsessed with AI. When AI can do whatever they want, the rest of us will be exterminated like pests.

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                      Maybe just save yourself the trouble and get a heads up you know

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                        One weird thing I noticed is the children inheriting the welth also tend to be psycho. Perhaps having everything you need destroys empathy?

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                        Yeah that's why collectivists worldwide always strive to think for you what you need, and taking the standard of living to the lowest possible level, that's way no one can have have what they need, except obviously the ones in power, ideologically speaking

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                          I need names and addresses! For... Reasons unrelated to any lethal plans

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                          Sir we all know that if you just want to post fake bullshit you can just say so, it's not illegal

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                          • squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.comS [email protected]

                            Are they in the room with us right now?

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                            Sure, just check the modlog, there is thousands of murder calls and violent action calls erased everyday. That's the ones that get reported.

                            I feel comfortable saying no one here is surprised in the slightest by the level of violent discourse shared in here on Lemmy

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                              Sir we all know that if you just want to post fake bullshit you can just say so, it's not illegal

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                              I didn't post anything besides a snarky comment below yours

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                                The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

                                The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

                                The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

                                The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

                                Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

                                Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

                                Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

                                How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

                                A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

                                Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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                                • S [email protected]

                                  Yeah that's why collectivists worldwide always strive to think for you what you need, and taking the standard of living to the lowest possible level, that's way no one can have have what they need, except obviously the ones in power, ideologically speaking

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                                  I would never allow it. Experimenting with gadget combos is how I live

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                                    I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.

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                                    Trying to give Iran nukes is pretty close to accompliss to mass murder. Iran is a terrorist state.

                                    Anyone should reasonably be trying to negotiate to avoid loss of life but at the end of the day killing them may be the lesser of two evils from the perspective of the would be target.

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                                      I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.

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                                      This isn't how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.

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                                        What is to stop the ultra wealthy from simply each making a million of these AI commanded drones, and just...killing all the poor? ALL of them? ALL OF US?!

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                                        Why would anyone do this? Why wouldn't the normal legal process supported by all the rest of the rich bozos stop the one Uber rich psycho.

                                        Why would anyone not notice a million terminators being made before they were unleashed?

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                                          The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

                                          The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

                                          The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

                                          The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

                                          Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

                                          Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

                                          Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

                                          How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

                                          A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

                                          Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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                                          Where’s Daddy?
                                          wtf

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