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Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon

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  • M [email protected]

    This isn't how anything works. No government cedes this kind of authority to anyone and trying to enforce it would lead to war even among allies.

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    The alternative is “drop bombs”.

    Rounding up leaders and putting them on trial seems like a more civilized international approach than engaging in the same bloodthirsty, explosive, surprise-murder that is literally the whole problem here.

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      What is the endgame here? They certainly can't be delusional enough to assume that killing civilians or bombing facilities will ingratiate them with the Iranian people to overthrow the government or even making the government surrender; how many more people will they radicalize through this process? How many more lives do they want to destroy? When will the middle east have peace?

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      I have gotten cynical to the point of assuming the "endgame" here is properly kicking off WW3, so that Trump gets an excuse to drop a nuke or two on an adversary.

      "The last time we had a world war, we won it! We were the best - and we won it with our nukes, our big beautiful nukes - it's really a shame we haven't used them since, don't you think? We ended the war by dropping 2 on Japan, and now Japan is our best friend. Why don't we drop some nukes on Iran? Don't we want them to be our friend?"

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      • S [email protected]

        What is the endgame here? They certainly can't be delusional enough to assume that killing civilians or bombing facilities will ingratiate them with the Iranian people to overthrow the government or even making the government surrender; how many more people will they radicalize through this process? How many more lives do they want to destroy? When will the middle east have peace?

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        Well, I think Israel are horrible villains here, but I also think Iran might be a lot better off without the theocratic regime and with disarmed warfare capabilities. In a more ideal world, Iran would de-escelate and make amiccable relations with the west to avoid any future conflicts. In the world we actually live in, Israel is probably hankering for a hunk of that pie and will expand their borders.

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        • R [email protected]

          Narnia? What an odd name. What did they kill them with, a lion or a wardrobe?

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          I think the name schemes were themed around fantasy fiction because that is what the AI produces and therefor its outputs need to be vetted properly.

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            Surely this will work wonders, they'll never recover from this. Also they won't have any incentive, because why would you even consider building a bomb in such a friendly environment? Why would there need to be an axis of resistance, let them surrender unconditionally like Trump suggested, because clearly Israel and the US are to be trusted. If only these damned Iranians remained at the negotiating table while we bombed the shit out of them unprovoked. I guess they don't want peace. /s

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            And don't forget the US will again get to decide to arbitrarily discard any nuclear agreements, which is of course another great incentive for Iran to not start a military nuclear program.

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            • spacecowboy@lemmy.caS [email protected]

              Donald Trump is an incompetent idiot. Doesn't mean he's not a threat to anyone.

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              He's perfectly competent, just not for you.

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              • W [email protected]

                One weird thing I noticed is the children inheriting the welth also tend to be psycho. Perhaps having everything you need destroys empathy?

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                That is a good point. I think you're right that being raised in an entitled environment by a socipathic parent brings out the worst in people. It also selects for the worst child being the one who wins the fight to take over the business.

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                • B [email protected]

                  "Seems that your mind is made up"

                  I show facts and know that the US/UK were/are supporters of fascism since it's the ultimate state of capitalism.
                  No need to elaborate, maybe look some things up since you clearly don't know much about it.

                  And "Nobody is harmless - regardless of philosophy or origins - particularly when they work for the military."
                  Sigh, you even misinterpreted that and ignored the punctuation.

                  I'm not a kindergarten teacher so not wasting more time on you,

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                  know that the US/UK were/are supporters

                  The US and UK are populist democracies, as such both had sizeable minority support for Fascism in the years before WWII - I believe it was Churchill who was leaning heavily towards it as a "great form of government to consolidate popular support." But, those movements ultimately did not gain full control and once war was declared on the Fascists, it had a strong damper effect on support for it in the US/UK.

                  Nobody is harmless, and no nation is made up of people who agree 100% on all questions. Fascism attempts to manufacture the appearance that lie is true, which is one of it's many drawbacks: allergies to reality.

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                  • J [email protected]

                    I have gotten cynical to the point of assuming the "endgame" here is properly kicking off WW3, so that Trump gets an excuse to drop a nuke or two on an adversary.

                    "The last time we had a world war, we won it! We were the best - and we won it with our nukes, our big beautiful nukes - it's really a shame we haven't used them since, don't you think? We ended the war by dropping 2 on Japan, and now Japan is our best friend. Why don't we drop some nukes on Iran? Don't we want them to be our friend?"

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                    Or the evangelicals in Trump's ear are trying to bring about the end of the world to kick off the rapture or some goofy ass psycho shit.

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                    • M [email protected]

                      know that the US/UK were/are supporters

                      The US and UK are populist democracies, as such both had sizeable minority support for Fascism in the years before WWII - I believe it was Churchill who was leaning heavily towards it as a "great form of government to consolidate popular support." But, those movements ultimately did not gain full control and once war was declared on the Fascists, it had a strong damper effect on support for it in the US/UK.

                      Nobody is harmless, and no nation is made up of people who agree 100% on all questions. Fascism attempts to manufacture the appearance that lie is true, which is one of it's many drawbacks: allergies to reality.

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                      It's not the people that make decisions or even matter.
                      It is the capitalist US/UK governments that have decided to help their nazi friends.
                      That's what matters

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                      • P [email protected]

                        yes. the fact that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons and Israel and the US still went after then is proof that they should have had nuclear weapons. because guess what would happen if they did. Israel would have stayed the fuck away.

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                        Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that's not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation

                        Or do you see them staying the fuck away?

                        Because I certainly don't

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                          Or the evangelicals in Trump's ear are trying to bring about the end of the world to kick off the rapture or some goofy ass psycho shit.

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                          Yes, and he wants to drop a nuke so bad he cant STAND it

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                          • R [email protected]

                            No, Iran is definitely not on any sort of moral high ground. They and Israel are so deep underground they're communicating with the mole people.

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                            I think you stronly underestimate how bad genocide is. Are you a history buff? In the 20th century there was this guy called Hitler. He became the personification of evil because he committed genocide. That's where Israel is at. Iran, as far as I know, is not committing a genocide.

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                            • J [email protected]

                              I have gotten cynical to the point of assuming the "endgame" here is properly kicking off WW3, so that Trump gets an excuse to drop a nuke or two on an adversary.

                              "The last time we had a world war, we won it! We were the best - and we won it with our nukes, our big beautiful nukes - it's really a shame we haven't used them since, don't you think? We ended the war by dropping 2 on Japan, and now Japan is our best friend. Why don't we drop some nukes on Iran? Don't we want them to be our friend?"

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                              Also, wasn't Trump the reason the largest non-nuclear bomb in the USA arsenal was first used in combat? The bomb that had never been deployed in the almost 15 years since it's creation specifically because the US military thought it would create too many civilian casualties?

                              The same Trump that allegedly wanted to nuke hurricanes to disrupt them before they hit the US's coast?

                              The dude just wants to play with the shiny toys and see things go "boom". He has literally stated to his own biographer that

                              When I look at myself in the first grade and I look at myself now, I'm basically the same. The temperament is not that different."

                              (source: The Week)

                              I suppose it suits him just fine that Israel is now flirting with open warfare with their neighbors.

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                              • G [email protected]

                                10 assassinations of relatively innocent people simultaneously. Straight out of Walter white’s playbook when he went full villain.

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                                They aren't innocent, they are knowingly creating a devastating weapon of mass destruction for a regime who has declared that they intend to use it. While I don't support this sort of unprovoked attack, I can't get too worked up over the demise of literally mad scientists.

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                                  The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.

                                  The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.

                                  The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.

                                  The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.

                                  Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.

                                  Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...

                                  Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...

                                  How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:

                                  A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.

                                  Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.

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                                  Comments going against Israel - so you agree that Iran should have nuclear weapons?

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                                    Comments going against Israel - so you agree that Iran should have nuclear weapons?

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                                    I don't think that anybody should have nuclear weapons. Do you support assassinating scientists?

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                                    • S [email protected]

                                      Clearly not working, Israel and the us have them nukes and that's not stopping Iran and Palestine from retaliation

                                      Or do you see them staying the fuck away?

                                      Because I certainly don't

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                                      lol what. yeah the parties that don't have the nukes do retaliate when the parties with the nukes are the aggressors. Iran didn't start a war. Palestine isn't even involved in a war that's just genocide.

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                                        Comments going against Israel - so you agree that Iran should have nuclear weapons?

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                                        Absolutely. It is crystal fucking clear that Iran will never be safe until it has nuclear deterrence.

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                                        • W [email protected]

                                          I think you stronly underestimate how bad genocide is. Are you a history buff? In the 20th century there was this guy called Hitler. He became the personification of evil because he committed genocide. That's where Israel is at. Iran, as far as I know, is not committing a genocide.

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                                          I don't think you give a shit about genocide, personally, you've just picked the Palestinian Genocide as your particular favourite issue to bang your drum about.

                                          Tell me, what are your opinions on:

                                          • The Ukrainian Genocide (by Russia)
                                          • The Masalit Genocide (by Sudan)
                                          • The Rohingya Genocide (by Myanmar)
                                          • The Uyghur Genocide (by China)
                                            ?

                                          And those are the other genocides happening literally right now!

                                          Let's go a little further back:

                                          • The Tigray Genocide (by Ethiopia in 2022)
                                          • The Yazidi Genocide (by ISIS in 2014)
                                          • The Darfur Genocide (By the RSF in 2005)
                                          • The Bosnian Genocide (by Serbia in 1995)
                                          • The Death Commissions (by Iran from 1981-1988. Ebrahim Raisi, President of Iran until 2024 was literally on the panels that executed people for being non-Muslim!)
                                          • The Kurdish Genocide (by Iraq in 1988 and arguably by Turkey and Iran now, given that pro-Iran protestors set fire to the Kurdish party offices in Iraq)

                                          So no, I don't think you care. If you did, you wouldn't be supporting Iran who gives drones to Russia to commit genocide and have themselves committed genocide. You would be calling for Iran's government to be deposed for the religious nutjobs that they are.

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