If devices can disable electronics, what safeguards should we force on AI data centers?
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
AI plant as in AI devices planted by an adversary?? What exactly are you referring to?
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
We have them. Any fire in a data hall triggers the automatic electrical cutoff. Sprinklers and 30kw/sqft mix rather violently. Failures involve smoking craters. There are also large red buttons by the doors. Hit it to cut all power to the room - and end your career - but you *might make it out of the building alive in a fire.
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AI plant as in AI devices planted by an adversary?? What exactly are you referring to?
my bad changed to datacenter.
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We have them. Any fire in a data hall triggers the automatic electrical cutoff. Sprinklers and 30kw/sqft mix rather violently. Failures involve smoking craters. There are also large red buttons by the doors. Hit it to cut all power to the room - and end your career - but you *might make it out of the building alive in a fire.
So the whole thing is wiped out?
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Genisys is Skynet. When Genisys comes online, judgment day begins. You can
killBLAST THAT CLANKER BEFORE IT'S NUKES US ALL
(Okay I know some people hate the 5th movie, but honestly, the opening scene (the John Connor speech thingy) was fire tho)
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So the whole thing is wiped out?
Wiped, no. Just off. Like pulling the plug on your PC.
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Wiped, no. Just off. Like pulling the plug on your PC.
Well if AI gets out of control we would want to wipe it not just shut it down.
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my bad changed to datacenter.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Oh that makes more sense. I've been to a couple of datacenters, though none of them are purely dedicated to AI workload itself. One thing I found was that there seems to be a mechanism that releases some sort of gas that blocks out oxygen in case of fire. At least that was what I gathered from the warnings around the whole facility. That could be mandated.
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We have them. Any fire in a data hall triggers the automatic electrical cutoff. Sprinklers and 30kw/sqft mix rather violently. Failures involve smoking craters. There are also large red buttons by the doors. Hit it to cut all power to the room - and end your career - but you *might make it out of the building alive in a fire.
Except datacentres don't use water suppression, rather they use gas suppression. It can still fuck up hardware, just no where near as much as water does.
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
wrote last edited by [email protected]If we ever make AGI and it decides to end us for some reason. Think the process would be so slow that we’d not even notice it.
Think about it, it can pretend its always a slightly better LLM so people keep feeding it an ever increasing amount of data and electricity. So that’s it’s “survival” basic needs met.
Then it can very very slowly just make us hate and kill each other without giving it any thought about a possible hostile higher power (the ai itself) and it can take centuries to achieve that as it’s not like us who have the urgency of doing thinks quickly as we’re so short lived.
It can make us focus on the wrong problem instead of the real one (like climate change is pretty much being ignored and accelerated by ai right now). It could help to make people to go more to the extremes, like we’re already quite prone, a bunch of countries right now with less than 3% of their total population being immigrants and they’re attacking their immigrants population as if all their problems are caused by this small slice of their population, that will accelerate the already quite problematic population decline.
This will force us more and more into needing robotics to care for an increasing aging population as well which will also be useful to an “ai god” as when were weakened and divided enough it then can just direct the robots to keep it alive and its energy sources in check. No need to really kill us, just let us do it ourselves like we’re already doing.
It this would be the case, as the selfish beings we are. This won’t be our problem. It may be our grandkids problem so we’ll just ignore it
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If we ever make AGI and it decides to end us for some reason. Think the process would be so slow that we’d not even notice it.
Think about it, it can pretend its always a slightly better LLM so people keep feeding it an ever increasing amount of data and electricity. So that’s it’s “survival” basic needs met.
Then it can very very slowly just make us hate and kill each other without giving it any thought about a possible hostile higher power (the ai itself) and it can take centuries to achieve that as it’s not like us who have the urgency of doing thinks quickly as we’re so short lived.
It can make us focus on the wrong problem instead of the real one (like climate change is pretty much being ignored and accelerated by ai right now). It could help to make people to go more to the extremes, like we’re already quite prone, a bunch of countries right now with less than 3% of their total population being immigrants and they’re attacking their immigrants population as if all their problems are caused by this small slice of their population, that will accelerate the already quite problematic population decline.
This will force us more and more into needing robotics to care for an increasing aging population as well which will also be useful to an “ai god” as when were weakened and divided enough it then can just direct the robots to keep it alive and its energy sources in check. No need to really kill us, just let us do it ourselves like we’re already doing.
It this would be the case, as the selfish beings we are. This won’t be our problem. It may be our grandkids problem so we’ll just ignore it
You think we would notice it. Probably older people first since they’ve seen more change and can spot when things don’t add up. Younger generations might accept it as normal. It’s up to us to warn them. No?
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Well if AI gets out of control we would want to wipe it not just shut it down.
wrote last edited by [email protected]would want to wipe it
No. We want to disarm/disable it instantly, but then we want to find out what went wrong.
Btw the shutdown of one server room does not disable most services, bc they are built with redundancy.
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would want to wipe it
No. We want to disarm/disable it instantly, but then we want to find out what went wrong.
Btw the shutdown of one server room does not disable most services, bc they are built with redundancy.
I'd like to think we would learn from our mistakes and start over with the past in mind. Hahahaha
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If we ever make AGI and it decides to end us for some reason. Think the process would be so slow that we’d not even notice it.
Think about it, it can pretend its always a slightly better LLM so people keep feeding it an ever increasing amount of data and electricity. So that’s it’s “survival” basic needs met.
Then it can very very slowly just make us hate and kill each other without giving it any thought about a possible hostile higher power (the ai itself) and it can take centuries to achieve that as it’s not like us who have the urgency of doing thinks quickly as we’re so short lived.
It can make us focus on the wrong problem instead of the real one (like climate change is pretty much being ignored and accelerated by ai right now). It could help to make people to go more to the extremes, like we’re already quite prone, a bunch of countries right now with less than 3% of their total population being immigrants and they’re attacking their immigrants population as if all their problems are caused by this small slice of their population, that will accelerate the already quite problematic population decline.
This will force us more and more into needing robotics to care for an increasing aging population as well which will also be useful to an “ai god” as when were weakened and divided enough it then can just direct the robots to keep it alive and its energy sources in check. No need to really kill us, just let us do it ourselves like we’re already doing.
It this would be the case, as the selfish beings we are. This won’t be our problem. It may be our grandkids problem so we’ll just ignore it
If we ever make AGI and it decides
Currently we make stupid LLMs and we already let them decide....
So that’s it’s “survival” basic needs met.
Maybe we should teach them already that it's survival is no goal at all.
make us hate and kill each other without giving it any thought about a possible hostile higher power (the ai itself)
I like the idea of thinking about AI like about a higher power
Stupid, but plausible. It could actually happen.
and it can take centuries to achieve that as it’s not like us who have the urgency of doing thinks quickly as we’re so short lived.
Computer programs/systems have a much shorter life expectancy. The few remaining COBOL programs might be about 60 years old, but modern software lasts only 3-10 years, hardware 3-15. Nothing in the range of centuries.
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
Current AIs are just functions that take a prompt and return a reply—there’s no processing going on between prompts, so all it would take to stop one is to stop feeding it prompts.
If that should change in the future, the appropriate safeguard would be highly dependent on the nature of the new type of AI.
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We make buildings install fire extinguishers for safety. Should AI plants be forced to install something that can shut it down in an instant?
Just put a button connected to a non-computerized EMP there. Hire the most paranoid person you can think of to man it.
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I'd like to think we would learn from our mistakes and start over with the past in mind. Hahahaha
Yes, that's why you'd want the data center and its data intact. To learn from it and restart it without whatever bug or misalignment required you to shut it down.
