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Is there any counter AI bots in the fediverse

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    cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

    Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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      cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

      Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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      What would the "bot that finds bots larping as people" do exactly? Ban them? Block or mute them? File reports? DM an admin about them?

      If it's just for pointing out suspected LLM-generated material, I think humans would be better at that than bots would be, and could block, mute, or file reports as necessary.

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        What would the "bot that finds bots larping as people" do exactly? Ban them? Block or mute them? File reports? DM an admin about them?

        If it's just for pointing out suspected LLM-generated material, I think humans would be better at that than bots would be, and could block, mute, or file reports as necessary.

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        At minimum flag them. Think about an Amazon review but that detects fact reviews or sponsor block. Make a database and the elements that are their post get eliminated.

        I'll see if people can pick up on bots. If they can see if they do any on that.

        I won't exactly say what I intend but it will involve LLM

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          cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

          Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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          What I would expect to happen is: their posts quickly start getting many downvotes and comments saying they sound like an AI bot. This, in turn, will make it easy for others to notice and block them individually. Other than that, I've never heard of automated solutions to detect LLM posting.

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            What I would expect to happen is: their posts quickly start getting many downvotes and comments saying they sound like an AI bot. This, in turn, will make it easy for others to notice and block them individually. Other than that, I've never heard of automated solutions to detect LLM posting.

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            Ahhhhh I doubt average Lemmy users are smart enough to detect LLM content. I already thought of a few ways to find LLM bots

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              Ahhhhh I doubt average Lemmy users are smart enough to detect LLM content. I already thought of a few ways to find LLM bots

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              Imo their style of writing is very noticeable. You can obcure that by prompting LLM to deliberately change that, but I think it's still often noticeable, not only specific wordings, but higher-level structure of replies as well. At least, that's always been the case for me with ChatGPT. Don't have much experience with other models.

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                At minimum flag them. Think about an Amazon review but that detects fact reviews or sponsor block. Make a database and the elements that are their post get eliminated.

                I'll see if people can pick up on bots. If they can see if they do any on that.

                I won't exactly say what I intend but it will involve LLM

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                Please don't create a bot account that is not flagged as a bot. There is enough malicious activity that you might not see because mods/admins are doing their job.

                There is no need to increase the volunteer work these people do.

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                  cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

                  Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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                  why dont you make something like r/SubredditSimulator? It would be cool to see what modern llms can do in this respect.

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                    cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

                    Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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                    Lemmy and Fediverse software have a box to tick in the profile settings. That shows an account is a bot. And other people can then choose to filter them out or read the stuff.

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                      At minimum flag them. Think about an Amazon review but that detects fact reviews or sponsor block. Make a database and the elements that are their post get eliminated.

                      I'll see if people can pick up on bots. If they can see if they do any on that.

                      I won't exactly say what I intend but it will involve LLM

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                      Forcing the Fediverse into your experiment isn't going to get you into the position you think it will be the way

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                        why dont you make something like r/SubredditSimulator? It would be cool to see what modern llms can do in this respect.

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                        A fun twist could be letting people post, and llms answer. Each with its specific angle.

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                          cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

                          Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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                          Feel free to try, though I don't trust the LLMs enough to detect other LLMs.

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                            cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947

                            Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.

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                            What I am failing to understand is: why?

                            Is this just for some petty motivation, like "proving" that people can not easily detect the difference between text from an LLM vs text an actual person? If that is the case, can't you just spare all this work and look at all the extensive studies.

                            Or perhaps it is something more practical, and you've already built something that you think is useful and it would require lots of LLM bots to work?

                            Or is it that you fancy yourself too smart for the rest of us, and you will feel superior by having something that can show us for fools for thinking we can discern LLMs from "organic" content?

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                              Please don't create a bot account that is not flagged as a bot. There is enough malicious activity that you might not see because mods/admins are doing their job.

                              There is no need to increase the volunteer work these people do.

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                              If it's all volunteer based then they'll quit when it gets too much

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                                why dont you make something like r/SubredditSimulator? It would be cool to see what modern llms can do in this respect.

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                                No idea what that is an that subreddit is dead

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                                  Lemmy and Fediverse software have a box to tick in the profile settings. That shows an account is a bot. And other people can then choose to filter them out or read the stuff.

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                                  I know and it's up to the accounts author to do that. I know when I made my bot on mastodon. And counter measure against ai should start

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                                    If it's all volunteer based then they'll quit when it gets too much

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                                    This... This is how fediverse works though.. You are also on an instance run basically entirely on volunteer work.

                                    If "we quit" there is no fediverse. On top of it all moderation tools are not mature enough yet.

                                    You'd rather have your data scraped and sold? Or pay to use a platform like this?

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                                      Feel free to try, though I don't trust the LLMs enough to detect other LLMs.

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                                      Why is your name red?

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                                        Why is your name red?

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                                        It's your instance (lemmings.world) admin.

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                                          If it's all volunteer based then they'll quit when it gets too much

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                                          Well, that's all the nonsense I needed from you. Blocked.

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