Just FYI.
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Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
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Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
Keep an eye on your own countries, you're not immune to right-wing populism.
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Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
Just FYI, you in Europe should spend more time learning how not to freak out the moment you invite a relatively small amount of Muslim people of color to live among you as refugees and start pushing boats back into the sea to drown. We watch your society start to break apart the moment it drifts even a tiny bit away from white ethnostates. Hungary and Poland fell before the US.
Don't get me wrong, we're a flaming dumpster fire right now, but it gets very tired very quickly listening to you people look down your noses at the US like your shit doesn't stink as you teeter to and from the brink of far right parties taking power every 3 years on a platform of "no Muslims in Country X." You're not wrong, but glass houses my guy. You judge us, but the rest of the world judges us both.
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Just FYI, you in Europe should spend more time learning how not to freak out the moment you invite a relatively small amount of Muslim people of color to live among you as refugees and start pushing boats back into the sea to drown. We watch your society start to break apart the moment it drifts even a tiny bit away from white ethnostates. Hungary and Poland fell before the US.
Don't get me wrong, we're a flaming dumpster fire right now, but it gets very tired very quickly listening to you people look down your noses at the US like your shit doesn't stink as you teeter to and from the brink of far right parties taking power every 3 years on a platform of "no Muslims in Country X." You're not wrong, but glass houses my guy. You judge us, but the rest of the world judges us both.
And how’s Europe and such doing on gay rights, women’s rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threats…
One comparable out of many doesn’t make a glass house.
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And how’s Europe and such doing on gay rights, women’s rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threats…
One comparable out of many doesn’t make a glass house.
I think the point was that the far right is close to winning in Europe. If they do, you can kiss all those things goodbye, just like us.
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Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
don't worry. this is like the fever stage of the virus.
we haven't even started the vomiting yet.
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And how’s Europe and such doing on gay rights, women’s rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threats…
One comparable out of many doesn’t make a glass house.
exactly! it's just a bunch of brown people we have to abandon to maintain our perfect society. I mean they're barely "people".
/s
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And how’s Europe and such doing on gay rights, women’s rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threats…
One comparable out of many doesn’t make a glass house.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well that depends, how about you go ask TURF Island or Hungary or most of literally everything south or east of Germany. If you're gonna pretend France and Germany are all of Europe then you should at least be comparing to like, idk, just NYC and CA or something. Again, reeeeeeeal glass heavy house over there.
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And how’s Europe and such doing on gay rights, women’s rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threats…
One comparable out of many doesn’t make a glass house.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean, it isnt as bad as in the US yet, but were definitely on our way. Just listen to the garbage that sounds exactly like maga from people around you.
It feels like everyone is making hate and fear their new identity, and the minorities get blamed.
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Well that depends, how about you go ask TURF Island or Hungary or most of literally everything south or east of Germany. If you're gonna pretend France and Germany are all of Europe then you should at least be comparing to like, idk, just NYC and CA or something. Again, reeeeeeeal glass heavy house over there.
I agree with you, trying to compare a single country to a union of countries, where every entity has their own interests and culture is kinda useless. Eastern europe has a lot of catching up to do, but I don't get how we devolved into fighting under a video of trump using AI to post a video discrediting former president Obama by framing him as a criminal. We all just want a world worth living in, where everybody has the same chances. We ought to fight TOGETHER against these race-ideology idiots spewing hate and fake news
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Keep an eye on your own countries, you're not immune to right-wing populism.
I hope that we'll find a way to block that bs, like the Kremlin troll farms etc.
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Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm an American who moved to the Netherlands in July of '22. I spend a lot of time going back and forth. My then fiancé, now my wife, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis during the pandemic. Given the obvious price difference for medication to treat the disease, I decided to move in with her instead of her coming to the US.
I find it disheartening to see what the rest of the world thinks about Americans up close. I am competently multilingual enough to hold conversations. I have to admit now that I understand why other natively born Americans pretend that they're from Canada outside of the U.S.
Despite my embarrassment about the body politic and discourse from my country, I find that the the same authoritarian, isolationist, and anti-intellectual mind-viruses that permeate through society in the United States (especially in rural communities) have a beachhead here in Western Europe. Either that or they've always been here to begin with. To me, the difference is that the scale is much smaller.
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And how’s Europe and such doing on gay rights, women’s rights, diversity, privacy rights, health science, climate science, wealth equality, economic policy, territorial threats…
One comparable out of many doesn’t make a glass house.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Where do you think the authoritarian, anti-intellectual, isolationist, puritanical Christian nationalism found in the U.S. historically began?
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I'm an American who moved to the Netherlands in July of '22. I spend a lot of time going back and forth. My then fiancé, now my wife, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis during the pandemic. Given the obvious price difference for medication to treat the disease, I decided to move in with her instead of her coming to the US.
I find it disheartening to see what the rest of the world thinks about Americans up close. I am competently multilingual enough to hold conversations. I have to admit now that I understand why other natively born Americans pretend that they're from Canada outside of the U.S.
Despite my embarrassment about the body politic and discourse from my country, I find that the the same authoritarian, isolationist, and anti-intellectual mind-viruses that permeate through society in the United States (especially in rural communities) have a beachhead here in Western Europe. Either that or they've always been here to begin with. To me, the difference is that the scale is much smaller.
Yeah, for sure. The Russians have been busy in all countries. The reason things got out of hand in the states is because you have a two party system. You only need to control a few people to control enough to take over the country.
That being said, Americans need to take a page out of the French play book at this point.
If you try to make a Frenchman work an extra half hour a week, Paris will burn. That's the level of outrage you need here. Nothing short of that will be effective. Don't protest, riot! A few people hanging about with plakards isn't going to cut it when the government is deciding which TV shows they'll allow, threatening politicians, protecting pedophiles, killing witnesses in federal custody, detaining people without cause, deporting/imprisoning people without trial, and deploying combat troops against peaceful protesters.I'd like to point out that all this shit is not normal and Americans need to understand how deeply fucked up the situation is. From where I'm standing I'm not sure most of them do. Yeah it's regrettable that fascism took hold in the states despite the rest of the world screaming at them to stop, but what's really alarming is that they're just kinda going along with it.
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Where do you think the authoritarian, anti-intellectual, isolationist, puritanical Christian nationalism found in the U.S. historically began?
Where are concentration camps happening already?
Where is a popular fascist already in power?
Fucking Americans playing whataboutism when they’re a mile down the road already.
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Just FYI. We in Europe are watching what you guys are up to and being super judgemental. Get your shit together.
I think what’s pissing me off about the US most right now, is even through the dumpster fire and their idiotic elected leader, Americans are STILL moraizing, looking down on others and being the world police
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Where are concentration camps happening already?
Where is a popular fascist already in power?
Fucking Americans playing whataboutism when they’re a mile down the road already.
It's not "whataboutism". It's about understanding historical context and threads that tie history and geopolitics across time and oceans.
Yes, I'm an American and it's bad back home. Arguably worse than ever before. And the American flavor of conservative techno-feudalism certainly has its own unique stench. We have much to fight, and we suck at it (currently).
However, I live in the Netherlands currently, since July of 2022, and not exactly by choice. My (Dutch) then-fiance-now-wife got an incurable diagnosis during the pandemic, preventing her from moving to the U.S. But before, I've been all over Europe. I've read plenty of "Western Civilization" history textbooks in high school and university as well. I see all of the right-wing conservative macho bullshit here in supposedly "liberal Northwest Europe" that I see emanating from MAGA pussies back home. In the Netherlands, that would be the BBB and the PVV.
The mentality I'm referring to is from here. In Europe. EVERYthing in modern US conservative talking points can trace its roots right back to puritanical European
Christian white supremacist monarchism/fascism/authoritarianism,"WE'RE-IN-CHARGE-FOREVER-BECAUSE-WE'RE-'CIVILIZED'"-ism."God, Gold, and Glory" was a thing long before U.S was. The American flavor of it has its roots here, so, please, as an American not of European descent, cut the fucking bullshit. Don't throw stones from your supposedly manicured glass houses. Or, if I'm wrong, invite some Roma people or economic migrants from
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Yeah, for sure. The Russians have been busy in all countries. The reason things got out of hand in the states is because you have a two party system. You only need to control a few people to control enough to take over the country.
That being said, Americans need to take a page out of the French play book at this point.
If you try to make a Frenchman work an extra half hour a week, Paris will burn. That's the level of outrage you need here. Nothing short of that will be effective. Don't protest, riot! A few people hanging about with plakards isn't going to cut it when the government is deciding which TV shows they'll allow, threatening politicians, protecting pedophiles, killing witnesses in federal custody, detaining people without cause, deporting/imprisoning people without trial, and deploying combat troops against peaceful protesters.I'd like to point out that all this shit is not normal and Americans need to understand how deeply fucked up the situation is. From where I'm standing I'm not sure most of them do. Yeah it's regrettable that fascism took hold in the states despite the rest of the world screaming at them to stop, but what's really alarming is that they're just kinda going along with it.
Too many Americans are eager to lick the boot. "We have to work (for free) this weekend to get this feature out [for the deadline the owner made up and customers don't care about]" was something my old team unironically said to me more than once
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Yeah, for sure. The Russians have been busy in all countries. The reason things got out of hand in the states is because you have a two party system. You only need to control a few people to control enough to take over the country.
That being said, Americans need to take a page out of the French play book at this point.
If you try to make a Frenchman work an extra half hour a week, Paris will burn. That's the level of outrage you need here. Nothing short of that will be effective. Don't protest, riot! A few people hanging about with plakards isn't going to cut it when the government is deciding which TV shows they'll allow, threatening politicians, protecting pedophiles, killing witnesses in federal custody, detaining people without cause, deporting/imprisoning people without trial, and deploying combat troops against peaceful protesters.I'd like to point out that all this shit is not normal and Americans need to understand how deeply fucked up the situation is. From where I'm standing I'm not sure most of them do. Yeah it's regrettable that fascism took hold in the states despite the rest of the world screaming at them to stop, but what's really alarming is that they're just kinda going along with it.
As a leftist American, you're right. There's a simply incredible amount of the population who refuse to participate in politics at all, then another huge swathe who gets all their news from social media or a single source which never gives the whole picture. I've protested, I've written my leadership, I've changed family and friends to the side of sanity but it feels like there's just no winning like this. I'm ready for a general strike, to stop paying federal taxes but it's all self harming if done alone. Our leaders have failed us basically across the board and I'm hoping that they've fucked up enough in the eyes of the general public so there's a correction and we can get this country far more socialized and kick corporations off welfare.
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I think what’s pissing me off about the US most right now, is even through the dumpster fire and their idiotic elected leader, Americans are STILL moraizing, looking down on others and being the world police
For the record, we average citizens don't want to be the "world police". This is what President Eisenhower was referring to as the "Military Industrial Complex".
Starting in the 1980s, the United States, which insisted on strict terms for the re-payment of Third World debt, itself accrued debts that easily dwarfed those of the entire Third World combined — mainly fueled by military spending. The U.S. foreign debt, though, takes the form of treasury bonds held by institutional investors in countries (Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, the Gulf States) that are in most cases, effectively, U.S. military protectorates, most covered in U.S. bases full of arms and equipment paid for with that very deficit spending.
This has changed a little now that China has gotten in on the game (China is a special case, for reasons that will be explained later), but not very much — even China finds that the fact it holds so many U.S. treasury bonds makes it to some degree beholden to U.S. interests, rather than the other way around.
So what is the status of all this money continually being funneled into the U.S. treasury? Are these loans? Or is it tribute? In the past, military powers that maintained hundreds of military bases outside their own home territory were ordinarily referred to as "empires," and empires regularly demanded tribute from subject peoples. The U.S. government, of course, insists that it is not an empire — but one could easily make a case that the only reason it insists on treating these payments as "loans" and not as "tribute" is precisely to deny the reality of what's going on.
- Except from the Beginning of David Graeber's Debt: The First 5,000 Years