And all the antivaxxers I ever knew sure like recreational substances too.
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Maybe my sources aren't great, I use kagi nowadays over Google and they have an academic filter (like Google scholar). That's all I used to find the few things I linked.
It's well established that your fat cell count is relatively stable as an adult and that as you gain significant weight that your body creates more fat cells to store this energy. It's known that the number of cells stay relatively stable even after losing weight, they just shrink. It's also known that leptin, or lack there of, affects your hunger. These things specifically are well documented. Other points of what I shared, and the overall impact may be, still hypothetical.
I'm not going to keep looking for and reading articles because I'm not finding what you're looking for and that's all good. I don't want to act like I'm an expert, I'm just a nerd reading things on the internet.
That's not to say, though, that this fat cell count is the end all be all and it's impossible to lose weight because you've already gained too much — your own situation is proof of that. It's just added context, not a barrier. Highly satiating foods like what you've mentioned, grapes over ice cream, eggs oats and yogurt over donuts, these make a much bigger impact on your overall hunger. I feel it too, I'm overweight and working on losing it, and if i snack on something like chips, it almost feels like it does nothing for me. That's why all the weight loss advice mentions high protein and High fiber foods.
Gotcha, yeah and thanks once again for the discussion. What I’m looking for basically is just evidence for the claim posted above us, specifically that “it is a fact that weight loss results in lifelong ravenous hunger due to fat cell signaling”
Scientists all the time come out with reviews and proposals that ultimately fizzle out without supporting evidence. So before I am able to believe any specific claims I need to see that it’s an actual scientific finding rather than just something tentative that has caught headlines (like I said, it happens all the time).
Since you like reading studies in general, for your own amusement I would suggest investigating the claim “cooking rice with coconut oil, then leaving it in the fridge overnight, will reduce the calories absorbed by your body by half!”
It’s a total and blatant piece of misinformation based on a chain of bad news reports made about a study that claimed something totally different, and was subsequently never confirmed. Yet I have met people in real life who swore by the method (even though they struggled to lose weight regardless of this supposed calorie cutting “hack”).
The weight loss space in general is totally flooded with this type of misinfo which is why I get so particular about it. Thank you again!
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That's my granddaughter.
Fully vaxxed EXCEPT for covid. Calls the first (of many) times she caught as 'when I almost died'. She's currently injecting one of the fun crop of weight loss drugs without a second thought because there aren't any TikTok influencers who are telling her it's dangerous.
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My favorite hypocrite is Jenny McCarthy who obviously has never met a cosmetic injectable she doesn't like but was one of the foremost anti-vax idiots out there.
Botulism toxin injected directly into my face -
A vaccine preventing measles mumps and rubella -
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Yeah, but botulism is all natural.
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That's my granddaughter.
Fully vaxxed EXCEPT for covid. Calls the first (of many) times she caught as 'when I almost died'. She's currently injecting one of the fun crop of weight loss drugs without a second thought because there aren't any TikTok influencers who are telling her it's dangerous.
Ozempic hospitalized my ex for 12 days and he's now in a class action lawsuit against the makers because it's a known side effect that wasn't warned against. It's not something to play with at all.
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My favorite hypocrite is Jenny McCarthy who obviously has never met a cosmetic injectable she doesn't like but was one of the foremost anti-vax idiots out there.
Botulism toxin injected directly into my face -
A vaccine preventing measles mumps and rubella -
️️🩹Botox is actually super helpful for a number of legitimate medical reasons, which a lot of people don't know. Migraines, limb contractures, anal fissures as a few examples.m
I hope Jenny McCarthy stubs her toe.
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I just got prescriptions from my GP for the pneumococcal and RSV vaccines because it turns out that I qualify. Anything I can get vaccinated for I do, because fuck antivaxxers.
I know someone who is a 60 year old smoker who went and lied to public health that she was a sex worker to get the MPOX vaccine, which makes me laugh, but i wouldn't mind it myself because you can get it touching surfaces.
My grandfather only lived to be a father because of the polio vaccine. Even my stepmother had polio in the fucking womb... it ate her kneecaps... she became a dancer to build leg muscle strength. My family has a valid, empirical respect for vaccines. I am a nurse and when I was young, I passed on the flu shots... until I got the flu... and found out what that hell was, I wasn't sure if I would survive it. After that, I will get every flu shot offered, I take every Covid Booster, I go the shingles vax and next year, I will be eligible for the RSV shot. I am getting them all, like Pokeman.
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Ozempic hospitalized my ex for 12 days and he's now in a class action lawsuit against the makers because it's a known side effect that wasn't warned against. It's not something to play with at all.
What's the side effect if you don't mind sharing?
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What's the side effect if you don't mind sharing?
Not at all. He's diabetic; Ozempic basically caused his gastric muscles to stop working, which is called gastroparesis. He began vomiting and having diarrhea over a period of days, and became unable to take his diabetic meds because he couldn't keep anything down. I came home and found him basically comatose, and he was in a state called euglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a new thing with all the Ozempic type drugs, where your sugars aren't all that high but the severity of your condition is masked by the Ozempic, and you end up overproducing ketones in your blood because your sugar is out of control. The ketosis part reversed quickly with IV insulin, but the gastroparesis and associated esophagitis from all the vomiting meant he had to stay in hospital for quite some time. He has permanent damage to his gastric system. The makers of the drug didn't disclose this and it's turned up in several others; my GP friend had two patients with the same situation. So they're all in a lawsuit, and I'm super leery of these drugs.
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My grandfather only lived to be a father because of the polio vaccine. Even my stepmother had polio in the fucking womb... it ate her kneecaps... she became a dancer to build leg muscle strength. My family has a valid, empirical respect for vaccines. I am a nurse and when I was young, I passed on the flu shots... until I got the flu... and found out what that hell was, I wasn't sure if I would survive it. After that, I will get every flu shot offered, I take every Covid Booster, I go the shingles vax and next year, I will be eligible for the RSV shot. I am getting them all, like Pokeman.
Nurses not getting vaccinated is an unreal phenomenon, isn't it? I work in a hospital, and some nurses who worked with COVID ECMO patients refused the COVID vaccine and got let go. How could you look at these people withering away and not want to be protected?
The flu shot is super important. I read about a preteen boy in Ohio whose parents didn't get him vaccinated, and he got influenza, and immediately got bacterial pneumonia and died, and his mother is wailing about how fast it all happened. Um, it didn't need to happen at all, they don't give them out for fun! I've thankfully never had it myself.
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Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine
I'll bite. I'm on it for what some people here would consider "recreational" purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn't caused me that many side effects.
Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It's hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I'm on ozempic (I don't plan on using it long-term) I'm also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I'm getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).
And I know people think it's just "lazy", which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.
I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they've had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They've lost a ton of weight though.
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Nurses not getting vaccinated is an unreal phenomenon, isn't it? I work in a hospital, and some nurses who worked with COVID ECMO patients refused the COVID vaccine and got let go. How could you look at these people withering away and not want to be protected?
The flu shot is super important. I read about a preteen boy in Ohio whose parents didn't get him vaccinated, and he got influenza, and immediately got bacterial pneumonia and died, and his mother is wailing about how fast it all happened. Um, it didn't need to happen at all, they don't give them out for fun! I've thankfully never had it myself.
Not just not getting vaccinated but actively promoting ng against it. They should be fired immediately. All the other so called medical professionals who take that track as well.
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Not at all. He's diabetic; Ozempic basically caused his gastric muscles to stop working, which is called gastroparesis. He began vomiting and having diarrhea over a period of days, and became unable to take his diabetic meds because he couldn't keep anything down. I came home and found him basically comatose, and he was in a state called euglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a new thing with all the Ozempic type drugs, where your sugars aren't all that high but the severity of your condition is masked by the Ozempic, and you end up overproducing ketones in your blood because your sugar is out of control. The ketosis part reversed quickly with IV insulin, but the gastroparesis and associated esophagitis from all the vomiting meant he had to stay in hospital for quite some time. He has permanent damage to his gastric system. The makers of the drug didn't disclose this and it's turned up in several others; my GP friend had two patients with the same situation. So they're all in a lawsuit, and I'm super leery of these drugs.
Fat phobia has killed so many and messed up so much research imo. We need fats and fat soluble vitamins, but in the right proportions to each other. I understand Ozempic is ostensibly for diabetes (and obv idk anything about your husband or his weight or why he took it, not assuming he has fat phobia himself), but rapid weight loss like that means people are likely going without adequate vitamins for quite some time, causing the body to eat its own tissues like bones, bone marrow, muscle, liver, and so on, to carry on the most important tasks for life.
Gastroparesis is often associated with vitamin d, b12, iron, and magnesium deficiencies. Fat soluble vitamins have a ton of downstream effects on other vitamins and each other, and many actually help with diabetes.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7469006/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34440929/
https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-023-00840-1
https://diabetes.org/food-nutrition/diabetes-vitamins-supplements/low-vitamin-d-insulin-resistance
They are not putting the Ozempic patients on vitamin therapy or even monitoring fat soluble vitamins afaik. BTW, the pancreas helps with processing fat soluble vitamins by making lipase, not just glucose/insulin. So anything that affects the pancreas, which Ozempic does, has the potential to affect fat soluble vitamins as well which have a LOT of downstream effects that have been catalogued for decades but doctors just kinda ignore??? Due to fat phobia.
I don't blame you for suing, they are selling you malnutrition in a pill because they hate fat cells
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Nurses not getting vaccinated is an unreal phenomenon, isn't it? I work in a hospital, and some nurses who worked with COVID ECMO patients refused the COVID vaccine and got let go. How could you look at these people withering away and not want to be protected?
The flu shot is super important. I read about a preteen boy in Ohio whose parents didn't get him vaccinated, and he got influenza, and immediately got bacterial pneumonia and died, and his mother is wailing about how fast it all happened. Um, it didn't need to happen at all, they don't give them out for fun! I've thankfully never had it myself.
As someone working in a hospital, how are you not on every vaccine, especially those for world travelers? If someone picks up something unusual from a different part of the world, they will be going to the hospital, they will be exposing you to it
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Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine
My ex is on one of those for blood sugar. She’s not losing weight but she said it made a significant difference controlling her blood sugar.
On the other hand her Dad is also on one of those for blood sugar but he’s never hungry and forgets to eat for days so has lost too much weight. It’s to the point where the doctor said anything he wants, load him up on chips and ice cream if necessary to get him back to a healthy weight
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Yeah, the only two antivaxxers I know (more did know) have fried their brains to mush with drugs so them believing that shit isn't surprising. I did lots of drugs in my 20s and knew a lot of people who did even more than me, and the two people who were always the "worst" with their use are the only ones I am aware of who are antivaxxers (In Sweden, it's not common here at all). They'd lick a literally turd if they saw someone sprinkle some unknown powder on it just for the chance of it making them high in any way, but they would fight to their death if anyone tried to vaccinate them specifically only with a covid vaccine.
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My wife has been on wegovy for about 3 months now, which is supposed to be similar. It's ok, I guess. Still ramping up to the full amount and there was one week of really bad digestion issues, but the rest has been fine. She feels full way quicker, and if you go over that amount, you start to feel nauseous, so you stop. Problem is she hasn't really done much else to help it. Still eating the same and hasn't introduced more exercising to help. So far, loss is around 15 lbs, but it's kind of sitting steady around this for a bit now.
Try to get her to eat vitamin k1 and/or k2 if you can. It will help her feel like exercising and moving more
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They really came out of the wood work when the covid vaccines were released. Friends and acquaintances who were there munching down e's of unknown origin back in early 2000s suddenly had a different stance about putting something "unknown" in them.
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If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault.
That's not how it works. Ozempic simply opresses the hunger feeling, therefor helping you lose weight. Problem is that still existing, but empty/depleted fat cells basically scream "we are hungry", so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can't stop eating until you regained at least the former state. That was - for me - the reason not to start on Ozempic, it's like the "bounce back" effect after a diet, but on steroids. That current research has found other issues (heart problems, ocular nerve damages) just enforced my rejection (I was offered this on a free prescription base).
I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”.
That is a very idealistic view, at least on some medication. With Ozempic, this is basically impossible due to the circumstances written above, with other medications it is simply due to the fact that no "lifestyle changes" can change e.g. genetic defects.
Because weight gain is from not having enough vitamins or a correct balance of vitamins. Taking fat soluble vitamins (esp E&K1&coq10) made me lose weight and exercise more without trying.
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My ex is on one of those for blood sugar. She’s not losing weight but she said it made a significant difference controlling her blood sugar.
On the other hand her Dad is also on one of those for blood sugar but he’s never hungry and forgets to eat for days so has lost too much weight. It’s to the point where the doctor said anything he wants, load him up on chips and ice cream if necessary to get him back to a healthy weight
Im like 190lbs and have high blood sugar. I see guys twice my size eating cheeseburgers and they don’t get it. Doctor told me it’s generic for me, but it doesn’t help that I smoke weed and eat all my kids cereal at 1am
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Try to get her to eat vitamin k1 and/or k2 if you can. It will help her feel like exercising and moving more
Thanks, I'll use that for my own knowledge!
