And all the antivaxxers I ever knew sure like recreational substances too.
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They were all fired, or got it under duress. Canada isn't like this.
Bullshit. I am a former paramedic in Canada. I know loads of supposed healthcare workers who avoided COVID shots and still happily work their jobs spreading the disease of stupidity today.
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Bullshit. I am a former paramedic in Canada. I know loads of supposed healthcare workers who avoided COVID shots and still happily work their jobs spreading the disease of stupidity today.
Well not where I live.
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Well not where I live.
You must be from Ontario.
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His GP was honestly just trying to get his diabetes under control, and had no reason to think this would happen. He's not obese in the slightest and has never been more than 5 pounds overweight, he just has bad genetics for it. I just think that it's been marketed so heavily it seems to be a go to and we're just starting to really see what it does.
Right, again, I'm not saying HE is fat phobic or even fat - but that the makers of the drugs and the prescribers ARE, and they are not choosing to monitor fat soluble vitamin status as standard for the treatment, which imo is extremely warranted. Also missed the detail that he was your EX, sorry, I thought he was your current partner
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To be fair, how many anti-vaxx haters are vegan? And I am pro-vaccination. But also it would be nice if we could solve the whole pandemic problem a bit more completely, rather than slapping a band-aid on while sprinting for the next round.
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Not at all. He's diabetic; Ozempic basically caused his gastric muscles to stop working, which is called gastroparesis. He began vomiting and having diarrhea over a period of days, and became unable to take his diabetic meds because he couldn't keep anything down. I came home and found him basically comatose, and he was in a state called euglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a new thing with all the Ozempic type drugs, where your sugars aren't all that high but the severity of your condition is masked by the Ozempic, and you end up overproducing ketones in your blood because your sugar is out of control. The ketosis part reversed quickly with IV insulin, but the gastroparesis and associated esophagitis from all the vomiting meant he had to stay in hospital for quite some time. He has permanent damage to his gastric system. The makers of the drug didn't disclose this and it's turned up in several others; my GP friend had two patients with the same situation. So they're all in a lawsuit, and I'm super leery of these drugs.
Much obliged. Thank you.
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And they have no real reason for it ever. It just seems to be obstinate behaviour because they don't want to be told what to do.
Picked the wrong fucken profession then
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Im like 190lbs and have high blood sugar. I see guys twice my size eating cheeseburgers and they don’t get it. Doctor told me it’s generic for me, but it doesn’t help that I smoke weed and eat all my kids cereal at 1am
You might want to consider keto or low carb. It will help with your blood sugar.
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I'll bite. I'm on it for what some people here would consider "recreational" purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn't caused me that many side effects.
Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It's hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I'm on ozempic (I don't plan on using it long-term) I'm also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I'm getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).
And I know people think it's just "lazy", which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.
I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they've had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They've lost a ton of weight though.
Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar
There is a good amount of literature documenting PCOS being a downstream effect of metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is caused by carbs and sugar. The addiction and cravings are real, but the order is reversed.
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Because weight gain is from not having enough vitamins or a correct balance of vitamins. Taking fat soluble vitamins (esp E&K1&coq10) made me lose weight and exercise more without trying.
I'm sorry, but what? Weight gain is most primarily the result of calorie surplus, with genetics playing a major role as well. Telling people to take random vitamins, especially when you don't know the full story of their dietary and micronutrient status is just completely inappropriate and unhelpful.
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Botox is actually super helpful for a number of legitimate medical reasons, which a lot of people don't know. Migraines, limb contractures, anal fissures as a few examples.m
I hope Jenny McCarthy stubs her toe.
Can we swap that with falls feet first into a wood chipper at 75 percent power?
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Yeah, but botulism is all natural.
That's what I tell myself when I eat expired MREs!
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Oppositional defiant disorder. Very well understood, researched heavily especially in young children.
Can it be induced by media consumption and cult behavior?
Or are they all kids that had it beaten out of them, but never properly treated, and now we all have to deal with the aftermath.
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You completely ignored the “permanent lifestyle change” aspect. It doesn’t matter whether the person in need of weight loss does it via diet and exercise or via diet and ozempic, the diet/lifestyle that they got themselves fat on has to change.
You’re basically blaming the drug for the person’s inability to psychologically deal with diet. That isn’t what the drug does. No, you don’t need to eat back to your old weight, that’s the part where permanent change to diet comes in.
I already stated a caveat for conditions that may be outside the user’s control, so don’t use that as an excuse for all users. Yet again, the doctor and patient have to discuss the risks. I’m done here.
While your point is technically true, you're ignoring the bigger picture. Some people are genetically predetermined to having an uncontrollable appetite. We're talking about something that for some people is so extreme it's worse than the worst addictions. Willpower is just outright a nonstarter, especially when you factor in the presence of our toxic food environment (ie., the way super markets are so stuffed full of junk food and junk food advertising that it becomes virtually guaranteed that the vast majority of people will habitually eat poorly).
Ozempic is absolutely an appropriate choice for people who struggle with appetite control. It may not be perfect, and ultimately it is best to do whatever we can for lifestyle interventions, but sometimes we just have to work with what we've got too.
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Can it be induced by media consumption and cult behavior?
Or are they all kids that had it beaten out of them, but never properly treated, and now we all have to deal with the aftermath.
I don't see anyone dealing with it.
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Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine
I've never taken Ozempic, but I did used to be a pharmacy tech, and having to tell patients that it was unavailable due to supply issues, on a daily basis, really sucked. I'm sure it was much worse for them.
Ozempic can be the right choice, but it's good to do plenty of research, and if you can, prioritize lifestyle interventions first. Here's a video series on Ozempic, as well as ways that you can stimulate glp-1 production naturally through diet and lifestyle-
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd90bMuM9SuzQ83E1IsM3Yy4
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If you take ozempic for weight loss but choose to continue eating like shit then it isn’t the drug’s fault.
That's not how it works. Ozempic simply opresses the hunger feeling, therefor helping you lose weight. Problem is that still existing, but empty/depleted fat cells basically scream "we are hungry", so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can't stop eating until you regained at least the former state. That was - for me - the reason not to start on Ozempic, it's like the "bounce back" effect after a diet, but on steroids. That current research has found other issues (heart problems, ocular nerve damages) just enforced my rejection (I was offered this on a free prescription base).
I think most medications are meant to be accompanied with permanent lifestyle changes where possible. No, you should not take this drug “forever”.
That is a very idealistic view, at least on some medication. With Ozempic, this is basically impossible due to the circumstances written above, with other medications it is simply due to the fact that no "lifestyle changes" can change e.g. genetic defects.
empty/depleted fat cells basically scream “we are hungry”, so as soon as you get off Ozempic, you basically can’t stop eating until you regained at least the former state.
I don't think that is quite right. If people on Ozempic use the opportunity to adapt to a low carbohydrate diet, when they come off the drugs they won't be suffering from the save sugar craving addiction cycle.
Fat cells don't scream "we are hungry" they scream "we are full" that is what leptin signaling is for, but carbohydrate addiction is a much stronger signal for many people.
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Gotcha, yeah and thanks once again for the discussion. What I’m looking for basically is just evidence for the claim posted above us, specifically that “it is a fact that weight loss results in lifelong ravenous hunger due to fat cell signaling”
Scientists all the time come out with reviews and proposals that ultimately fizzle out without supporting evidence. So before I am able to believe any specific claims I need to see that it’s an actual scientific finding rather than just something tentative that has caught headlines (like I said, it happens all the time).
Since you like reading studies in general, for your own amusement I would suggest investigating the claim “cooking rice with coconut oil, then leaving it in the fridge overnight, will reduce the calories absorbed by your body by half!”
It’s a total and blatant piece of misinformation based on a chain of bad news reports made about a study that claimed something totally different, and was subsequently never confirmed. Yet I have met people in real life who swore by the method (even though they struggled to lose weight regardless of this supposed calorie cutting “hack”).
The weight loss space in general is totally flooded with this type of misinfo which is why I get so particular about it. Thank you again!
What I’m looking for basically is just evidence for the claim posted above us, specifically that “it is a fact that weight loss results in lifelong ravenous hunger due to fat cell signaling”
In my reading the the literature there is nothing to support this "fat cells make you hungry" theory.
At best there is an association between fat people and fat cell population, but given hyperplasia is more common in people of european descent its not a causal connection. Plus this theory doesn't account for fat people from hypertrophic populations (asians).
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Vaccines are required because most viruses can infect virtually anyone. Ozempic is not because most people are not overweight and many who are are able to loose the weight naturally. You can use your drug however you like but please stop making these insane comparisons
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I'm sorry, but what? Weight gain is most primarily the result of calorie surplus, with genetics playing a major role as well. Telling people to take random vitamins, especially when you don't know the full story of their dietary and micronutrient status is just completely inappropriate and unhelpful.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]That's such a simplistic look at weight gain lol. Wanting food is caused by neurochemicals in your body first before you even eat a bite. Eg Prader-Willis patients gain weight because they have excess ghrellin which makes them super hungry. (It's obvious they do not have Prader-Willis).
Vitamins are over the counter. We are supposed to eat them every day. Doctors literally ask you if you eat a balanced diet as their first screening question because they are supposed to fix vitamin deficiencies first before treating anything else (lol as if they do that). I think adults, who walk by these same vitamins every day at the store and see ads for them, can read a vague internet comment that they know is a stranger, and know if they should talk to their doctor about their health conditions etc or not. I think they can decide for themselves if they want to try a vitamin regimen, that again, is over the counter and has recommended daily intakes by nutritionists so your body can function.
Further, there is no overdose range for vitamin k, as in, we haven't found an upper limit where it'll kill you, although if deficient in vitamin e, then blood clots can happen. COQ10 is likewise very safe.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19096117/Vitamin E is pretty safe unless you macrodose it every day for a while, and even then, as long as you've got vitamin k (and in some weightlifters do vitamin C) on board it shouldn't be an issue. And again, I never said to macrodose or gave any dose, so why the shaming and policing?
Last, most overweight people are eating a lot of animal products that contain retinol type vitamin a instead of beta carotene type vitamin a found in plants. Because of the way retinol works, you HAVE to absorb it. To deal with the extra retinol, you need vitamin e and vitamin k, so you start craving fats. Then often people want meat and cheese or a pasta with meat, lasagna, pizza, etc, (which btw I eat too and I eat meat) and yeah they get some vitamin k in that, but not enough vitamin e to deal with the retinol. Which then causes stuff like eczema, allergies, pink irritated skin, dry skin, headache, high blood pressure, nausea, diarrhea - the stuff on the accutane side effects list.
So the craving continues and feeds itself. I used to be hungry AFTER I ATE and wished I could eat more, and that's not uncommon in people who eat caloric excess - because they actually DO need to eat something else.
If you take vitamin e, it treats vitamin a overdose symptoms relating to the skin sloughing off and heightened immune system issues. But also vitamin e should be given with vitamin k since vitamin k is relatively benign anyway and helps produce osteocalcin which helps people exercise and want to move/feel good moving.
