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Gaming chat platform Discord in early talks with banks about public listing

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  • X [email protected]

    Where did that I say that it was though? I posted it as an alternative. Not once did I say or even hint that it was ready... You're going to great lengths to put words in my mouth on a public forum where anyone can see what's been written. It's very bizarre.

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    Where did I say you had said it was ready? I answered your question on what "ready" was in the context. Talk about putting words in people's mouths..

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    • L [email protected]

      It's still information. I agree that it should be available publically, but information available to few is still more than information available to none. I agree that you shouldn't have to join a Discord server to get that information, but eliminating it entirely so that not even those who do join can access it doesn't help anybody. It would only hurt a few, but a few is still more than zero.

      It's an issue of culture, so simply eliminating one repository doesn't fix anything. They'd find some other messaging service to congregate on.

      That's not to say Discord are saints and there is nothing wrong with either their business or their platform. That is a separate issue I think we all agree on.

      My point is strictly about the hypothetical deletion of Discord over the drift towards opaque information silos: It won't help.

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      information available to few is still more than information available to none

      If discord didnt exist, that information would just be elsewhere like proper forums, it doesnt disappear magically.

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      • N [email protected]

        Too many startups go for VC money when they shouldn't. It's a cancer.

        If you've managed to bootstrap it, or get some non-vc money, things are growing and doing well, maybe just try to keep growing that way. Your company is fucked the moment you take that VC money.

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        I agree, but I understand the temptation. It can take your company from 0 to 100 almost instantly, since you have the budget to hire social media and SEO experts to take you to that magical "viral" status. Not doing this often means toiling in obscurity and never going anywhere. If you do manage to make enough money for your whole team to quit their day jobs, then it almost certainly took longer.

        Quick and easy path leads to the Dark Side.

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        • P [email protected]

          "But I don't want to eat the moldy cabbage on the ground outside!"

          "Okay, do you have an alternative, or are you just gonna whine? Eat up!"

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          #171

          "We have these delicious carrots."

          "I ONLY WANT CABBAGE THAT'S BEEN SITTING OUT FOR A WEEK!"

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          • O [email protected]

            looks like me and the boys are going back to teamspeak

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            #172

            Gotta go for the ventrillo rofflecopter going soi soi.

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            • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zoneK [email protected]

              Reminder: Matrix is open source and federated

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              #173

              Unsure if this is satire about the Matrix or an actual platform that thought it was smart to call itself Matrix

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                Too many startups go for VC money when they shouldn't. It's a cancer.

                If you've managed to bootstrap it, or get some non-vc money, things are growing and doing well, maybe just try to keep growing that way. Your company is fucked the moment you take that VC money.

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                #174

                I don't think an app like Discord could exist without great initial investment

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                  Glad I already nuked mine.

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                  #175

                  Sadly they do keep all of your messages just anonymised

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                  • jackattack@lemmy.dbzer0.comJ [email protected]

                    Can anyone with knowledge on business explain why these companies keep going public other than the simple fact of money?

                    I feel like everytime a company does they go full throttle into making shareholders money and lose sight of their original company. Honestly I assumed discord was already public based on some of their monetary features that are overpriced lol.

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                    It's about money, specifically with a near-term "exit strategy" for investors.

                    It lets them push the company into choices that will pump up the stock price so that early shareholders can sell their stock and walk away with profits... without any concern over how those choices will impact the company, its employees, its customers, or the new shareholders in the long term.

                    I won't shed a tear for Discord, though. They are a parasitic corporation that extracts profit from the world's online communities by using the network effect to lock our communications and collected knowledge behind their terms of service. No company should have control over so much of humanity's cultural development and history.

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                    • kualdir@feddit.nlK [email protected]

                      Unsure if this is satire about the Matrix or an actual platform that thought it was smart to call itself Matrix

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                      #177

                      It's an actual platform. It's basically FOSS discord.

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                      • spaniard@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                        Matrix (element?) can do everything Discord does.

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                        it can't. it does most things ok, but if I had to move my communities there, it would be hellish to get stuff running the way discord runs them.

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                        • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

                          It's an actual platform. It's basically FOSS discord.

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                          #179

                          Ohh found it, bad naming in terms of SEO. Does it have screen sharing or is it just a chat/call/videocall app? Personally me and my friends use discord for 2 reasons: Chatting and screensharing. We use teamspeak to talk during gaming

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                          • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zoneK [email protected]

                            Reminder: Matrix is open source and federated

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                            Matrix needs more time in the oven before it's ready for widespread adoption.

                            I really did try to make it work (for months) but it's a buggy and unpolished experience, everyone that tried it with me ended up going back to Discord and Signal for communication.

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                            • kualdir@feddit.nlK [email protected]

                              I don't think an app like Discord could exist without great initial investment

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                              Discord probably not, but there are many that could.

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                              • L [email protected]

                                They probably don't intentionally use it to store information so much as quickly and conveniently exchange answers and questions. Forums have evidently proven inadequate for that purpose, so unless people find a better solution and make it stick, the lesson sure won't.

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                                Oh but there's a shit ton of documentation that's only available on discord and that's not searchable anywhere and that will just be wiped out of discord ever dies.

                                Forums are the best for knowledge accumulation via user interactions, Reddit like platforms are second and then you've got whatever discord is and regular chat rooms...

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                                  Can it be any more enshitified tho?

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                                  Pay $5 to send 50 messages per month. Then an additional $1 for every fifth message.

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                                  • spaniard@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                    Matrix (element?) can do everything Discord does.

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                                    #184

                                    Its even less organized

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                                    • U [email protected]

                                      information available to few is still more than information available to none

                                      If discord didnt exist, that information would just be elsewhere like proper forums, it doesnt disappear magically.

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                                      Well, you have one part right: it won't disappear magically. If it does, it will do so quite naturally, unless someone actively preserves it, e.g. by archiving the chat histories.

                                      Of course, you might mean the people with the knowledge that wrote those histories in the first place. You know, the people that used Discord instead of forums. The people that left forums. The people that apparently didn't want to use forums.

                                      Why would you assume they'd move to forums? Clearly there was some reason they chose to use Discord, so why wouldn't they just find a replacement?

                                      Discord isn't the issue. I mean, Discord has plenty of issues, but this particular one is a cultural one. Unless we find a way to entice people back to forums (or some other publically indexable platform), they'll just keep going elsewhere.

                                      So maybe instead of condemning Discord we should ask "Why do people prefer it?" Then we can figure out how to address that and actually do something about the root of the issue.

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                                        Oh but there's a shit ton of documentation that's only available on discord and that's not searchable anywhere and that will just be wiped out of discord ever dies.

                                        Forums are the best for knowledge accumulation via user interactions, Reddit like platforms are second and then you've got whatever discord is and regular chat rooms...

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                                        Oh but there's a shit ton of documentation that's only available on discord and that's not searchable anywhere and that will just be wiped out of discord ever dies.

                                        I absolutely agree. That's part of the point I'm trying to make: The death of Discord might well cause those things to be lost. Hoping for it to crash and burn is counterproductive because thay will only do damage.

                                        Instead, we should figure out why people moved to Discord in the first place, because...

                                        Forums are the best for knowledge accumulation via user interactions

                                        ...clearly, whatever makes forums "the best" isn't enough. Then what is it that Discord does better? How can forums work to match it and entice people back?

                                        I don't know. I'm not one of the people that preferred Discord and I can't speak for them. But maybe we should listen first instead of wishing ill on them and hoping their favourite places die.

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                                          Oh but there's a shit ton of documentation that's only available on discord and that's not searchable anywhere and that will just be wiped out of discord ever dies.

                                          I absolutely agree. That's part of the point I'm trying to make: The death of Discord might well cause those things to be lost. Hoping for it to crash and burn is counterproductive because thay will only do damage.

                                          Instead, we should figure out why people moved to Discord in the first place, because...

                                          Forums are the best for knowledge accumulation via user interactions

                                          ...clearly, whatever makes forums "the best" isn't enough. Then what is it that Discord does better? How can forums work to match it and entice people back?

                                          I don't know. I'm not one of the people that preferred Discord and I can't speak for them. But maybe we should listen first instead of wishing ill on them and hoping their favourite places die.

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                                          People want instantaneous replies instead of having to wait like on forums. Steam still has forums and they're active so clearly not everyone left, Reddit isn't as good because of the lack of permanence (no bumping).

                                          I'm this case I'm very sorry but people just went for the instantaneous reward of chatting and disregarded what they were losing.

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