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"Pilot had to dive aggressively to avoid midair collision over Burbank airport."

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  • blackouttripleseven@lemmy.blahaj.zoneB [email protected]

    stuff like this is why i'm lowkey terrified of flying
    also this isn't a shitpost

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    I can assure you some pants were shit on that flight

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    • umbrella@lemmy.mlU [email protected]

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      Anything about Jimmy Dore is a shitpost but which sub or whatever is this more suitable for?

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      • rivalarrival@lemmy.todayR [email protected]

        Just to put this into perspective, here's a visualization of the flight data. The two aircraft were never on a collision course. They slightly violated a 5-mile separation requirement: their closest point of approach was 4.85 miles. The pilot did need to respond to the TCAS alert, but that alert was very conservative.

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        These conservative warnings exist for a reason, though. That being hundreds of lives at stake. What I think would be more interesting is to hear how often these types of events occurred before and after the layoffs at the FAA

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          Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source.

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          • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

            Yeah, but people are still going to be using the bathrooms and such, even if you assume everyone actually obeys the rules

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            because of a few exception cases this is never going to work

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              This is very dangerous. Time to remove regulations for collision warning systems on airplanes, so dangerous maneuvers like this don’t happen in the future

              ::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
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              Time a different kind of fireworks.

              The kind that only happens near airports.
              Hopefully, some of the billionaires who wanted this shit will be part of the fireworks

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                There are things you can control and things you can't. I can't keep the planes out of each other's airspace, but I can keep my seat belt on.

                That would be more insightful if I wasn't a pilot...

                ::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
                I'm not.
                :::

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                Yeah, that'll keep you from getting slammed on the ceiling...in a situation that should never, ever happen. Which I'd over a midair collision, in which case you're just screwed no matter what you do

                I don't blame the pilot either, they did their job properly. It was the military that failed to coordinate with the civilian air control tower, which also could have been avoided if the civilian tower had radar

                What should you do? Demand better. Not think "I would have been fine, they must've been stupid"

                You can't protect against every freak event, what you can do is be one drop in the wave that demands competence from our government

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                • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                  Yeah, that'll keep you from getting slammed on the ceiling...in a situation that should never, ever happen. Which I'd over a midair collision, in which case you're just screwed no matter what you do

                  I don't blame the pilot either, they did their job properly. It was the military that failed to coordinate with the civilian air control tower, which also could have been avoided if the civilian tower had radar

                  What should you do? Demand better. Not think "I would have been fine, they must've been stupid"

                  You can't protect against every freak event, what you can do is be one drop in the wave that demands competence from our government

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                  There are certainly things that can be done better. My instance should give an idea about how much my government can do about this problem. That said, just like in a car, there is no good reason you shouldn't be wearing your seat belt most of the time. And there are plenty of situations they can't fix, such as clear-air turbulence. But the seat belt still helps.

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                  • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zoneU [email protected]

                    Check out John Oliver's take on air traffic control on LWT

                    I was a kid when Reagan fired all the striking air traffic controllers. It turns out it takes a long time to train them, so we haven't recovered from that one incident. It also means all ATCs are overworked, still underpaid and using outdated hardware and methods.

                    Air travel was screwed even before Trump defunded the FAA.

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                    Fair, but it has gotten very noticably worse based on Trump's deregulation catching up on the aircrafts and the latest round of forcing out air traffic control

                    Also, I didn't know you could just say "all pronouns". I like that a lot, I'm really uncomfortable putting myself in boxes and that describes my preferences very succinctly

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                    • blackouttripleseven@lemmy.blahaj.zoneB [email protected]

                      stuff like this is why i'm lowkey terrified of flying
                      also this isn't a shitpost

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                      Yeah, shitpost needs some better moderation. Shitpost has literally just become post whatever you want. And if that's what it is, I guess that's what it is, but the term "shitpost" to me had always been someone coming and derailing serious threads with nonsense opinions, unrelated pics, etc. So silly trolling.

                      This post is a picture of a tweet about a near mid-air collision. Unless the second plane was just fucking around, shitflying as they say, I don't know that it qualifies for the low, low bar that is shitposting.

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                        This is Joe Biden s fault. I don't mean he cut funding or anything like that, I mean he was literally flying the other plane. It was full of woke trans immigrants headed to Texas so Democrats can get more votes while simultaneously rigging the election.

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                        Your response here is an excellent example of shitposting. You are the new moderator. Keep up the shitty work.

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                          I'm flying out of Burbank Monday 😃

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                          It's cool, this was their incident, so clock reset. Can't happen twice in so short a span, no way!

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                            There are certainly things that can be done better. My instance should give an idea about how much my government can do about this problem. That said, just like in a car, there is no good reason you shouldn't be wearing your seat belt most of the time. And there are plenty of situations they can't fix, such as clear-air turbulence. But the seat belt still helps.

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                            It applies to everyone - you've had an event this year too. I should have said our governments

                            Air traffic control is just not an individual thing. Not even an individual country thing.

                            And I'm aware of unexpected turbulence...I just don't see getting banged about that big a deal. Shit happens. Wrong place, wrong time... Sure, put on your seatbelt when you're sitting down, but even if you don't you're probably not going to die from it

                            But planes nearly colliding? Actually colliding? That should never happen... It's a 3D arena, the sky is huge. Planes should neither fall apart nor be anywhere near each other without coordination

                            We made air travel very safe with old technology, for a long time too. This is a very recent problem, and totally unacceptable

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                              Planes are the safest form of transportation if you look at safety per km travelled. If you look at other metrics, like safety per trip or per travel time then they are less safe than busses or trains.

                              https://travel.stackexchange.com/a/184330

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                              As with all statistics, you can make the numbers say what we you want. Planes can carry 500+ people, so an incident risks all 500 of those passengers; similar for rail, but not so much for the bus. And I think about bus and there's two different kinds of buses, IMO, the inner city bus that's on the road for hours, but doing few miles while making frequent stops. Not sure what a journey is then, whether it's stop by stop or from start to finish. And there's

                              So yeah, I dunno. If it's your time it's your time. I don't think any of these means of travel are "unsafe," whatever that means. But I'll still have a couple of beers before I get on the plane, because I'm not afraid of flying, but having a couple beers beforehand makes it better.

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                                It sure feels like that margin has been shrinking in the last year or so.

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                                So I don't know how true it is (or isn't). This wiki article gives a list of "all newsworthy" incidents since 2023. Got two (now three) this year. Five last year. Ten in 2023. But newsworthy is the key word. We have an incident like we did in DC, and in the immediate wake of it there were news reports just about anytime someone sneezed on an airplane (hyperbole).

                                I'll tell you, my eye test and feelings agree with you, but I just don't know how true it is. And it's hard to avoid getting political, but there is a vested interest in certain news circles to paint a bleak picture (don't take this wrong, I'm in favor of funding government agencies).

                                So yeah, fuck it, you know?

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                                  because of a few exception cases this is never going to work

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                                  At any time, you can expect at least 2-6 people out of their seats if the fasten seatbelts sign isn't on. But I don't really care about that part, shit happens

                                  Planes shouldn't be dodging each other in the first place... That's the actual problem here. I don't blame the pilot either, they avoided a collision, so as far as I'm concerned they did what they had to do

                                  The situation itself never should have happened

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                                  • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                                    It applies to everyone - you've had an event this year too. I should have said our governments

                                    Air traffic control is just not an individual thing. Not even an individual country thing.

                                    And I'm aware of unexpected turbulence...I just don't see getting banged about that big a deal. Shit happens. Wrong place, wrong time... Sure, put on your seatbelt when you're sitting down, but even if you don't you're probably not going to die from it

                                    But planes nearly colliding? Actually colliding? That should never happen... It's a 3D arena, the sky is huge. Planes should neither fall apart nor be anywhere near each other without coordination

                                    We made air travel very safe with old technology, for a long time too. This is a very recent problem, and totally unacceptable

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                                    And I'm aware of unexpected turbulence...I just don't see getting banged about that big a deal. Shit happens. Wrong place, wrong time... Sure, put on your seatbelt when you're sitting down, but even if you don't you're probably not going to die from it

                                    “J. E. Littlewood, a mathematician at Cambridge University, wrote about the law of truly large numbers in his 1986 book, "Littlewood's Miscellany." He said the average person is alert for about eight hours every day, and something happens to the average person about once a second. At this rate, you will experience 1 million events every thirty-five days. This means when you say the chances of something happening are one in a million, it also means about once a month. The monthly miracle is called Littlewood's Law.” - David McRaney

                                    This is why people build houses in flood zones. What are the odds this will affect me? And every year, people gamble with those one in a million odds, and someone loses. Then their friends console each other at the funeral that it was a freak accident and who could have predicted it would happen? And why were they in that position? Because people don't have an intuitive grasp of statistics, particularly low probability and high frequency, and what the are odds it will happen to them. But it's happening to someone all the time, and much more likely to the one who says, "Well, it probably won't be me."

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                                      Fair, but it has gotten very noticably worse based on Trump's deregulation catching up on the aircrafts and the latest round of forcing out air traffic control

                                      Also, I didn't know you could just say "all pronouns". I like that a lot, I'm really uncomfortable putting myself in boxes and that describes my preferences very succinctly

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                                      Yes, whereas prior congresses and presidencies squeezed regulatory agencies and let them get captured, Trump is just taking a wrecking ball to them. What we're going through now really can't be compared to what happened before, including during Reagan's term and George W. Bush.

                                      Re: Pronouns, TBH I was in theater as a kid and TTRPGs as a teen and young adult, so it was super easy to get comfortable whatever pronouns suited my character. And yeah, embraced my enby status as I got past my forties.

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                                      • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                                        At any time, you can expect at least 2-6 people out of their seats if the fasten seatbelts sign isn't on. But I don't really care about that part, shit happens

                                        Planes shouldn't be dodging each other in the first place... That's the actual problem here. I don't blame the pilot either, they avoided a collision, so as far as I'm concerned they did what they had to do

                                        The situation itself never should have happened

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                                        i dont even know what youre trying to state or argue. seatbelts should be worn by all seated passengers at all times to mitigate risk of injury in case something that shouldn't happen does end up happening. obviously there are exceptions like when people need to piss and shit.

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                                          Well? Does u/Agent641 get the computer?

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                                          I made it through. Maybe next time.

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