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  • ooops@feddit.orgO This user is from outside of this forum
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    To put this into perspective...

    The CDU sued the government over 60 billion debt that were already accounted for but should not be allowed for investments into infrastructure and green transformation of industry when it was originally planned for covid. Then they spend 3 years and the whole election campaign defending the debt brake as something fundamentally important while telling everyone that the former government just can't handle money.

    And just days after the election they decide that the country really needs about ~1 trillion in new debts (500b on-time for investments, defense budgets being ignored and loosened debt rules for the states).

    That's obstruction in it's purest form. They sabotaged the country for years just because there cannot be any solution when they aren't in power.

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      To put this into perspective...

      The CDU sued the government over 60 billion debt that were already accounted for but should not be allowed for investments into infrastructure and green transformation of industry when it was originally planned for covid. Then they spend 3 years and the whole election campaign defending the debt brake as something fundamentally important while telling everyone that the former government just can't handle money.

      And just days after the election they decide that the country really needs about ~1 trillion in new debts (500b on-time for investments, defense budgets being ignored and loosened debt rules for the states).

      That's obstruction in it's purest form. They sabotaged the country for years just because there cannot be any solution when they aren't in power.

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      ...nor is there ever a good solution when they are in power, for which there is plenty of evidence.

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        ...nor is there ever a good solution when they are in power, for which there is plenty of evidence.

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        Their "good solutions" is not reverting everything the former government did then waiting for the results of those policies and claiming them as their own success.

        Which can be then translated to enough votes by morons to spend another decade doing nothing and funneling money to friends and family. Rinse and repeat.

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          To put this into perspective...

          The CDU sued the government over 60 billion debt that were already accounted for but should not be allowed for investments into infrastructure and green transformation of industry when it was originally planned for covid. Then they spend 3 years and the whole election campaign defending the debt brake as something fundamentally important while telling everyone that the former government just can't handle money.

          And just days after the election they decide that the country really needs about ~1 trillion in new debts (500b on-time for investments, defense budgets being ignored and loosened debt rules for the states).

          That's obstruction in it's purest form. They sabotaged the country for years just because there cannot be any solution when they aren't in power.

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          I hate Merz and the Goons of CDU/CSU so god damn much...

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            I hate Merz and the Goons of CDU/CSU so god damn much...

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            I would prefer to not call them CDU/CSU anymore, as they have proven to reject everything the C, D or S stands for 😁

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              I would prefer to not call them CDU/CSU anymore, as they have proven to reject everything the C, D or S stands for 😁

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              That's why, we usually refer to them as Union. However, it's a loose one, as the Bavarian party often does it's own thing.

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              • ooops@feddit.orgO [email protected]

                To put this into perspective...

                The CDU sued the government over 60 billion debt that were already accounted for but should not be allowed for investments into infrastructure and green transformation of industry when it was originally planned for covid. Then they spend 3 years and the whole election campaign defending the debt brake as something fundamentally important while telling everyone that the former government just can't handle money.

                And just days after the election they decide that the country really needs about ~1 trillion in new debts (500b on-time for investments, defense budgets being ignored and loosened debt rules for the states).

                That's obstruction in it's purest form. They sabotaged the country for years just because there cannot be any solution when they aren't in power.

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                A provision would exempt defence spending above 1 per cent of GDP from the debt brake rules, allowing Germany to boost spending on its armed forces by an unlimited amount at a time when Europe faces the prospect of losing US guarantees that have underpinned its security since Donald Trump began his second presidential term.

                I mean, one can complain about the specifics, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some kind of mechanism to permit for higher defense spending, at least in time of conflict or impending conflict.

                Let me go back and dig up spending as a percent of GDP for World War II, but it was way, way above 1% of GDP. Without some mechanism, a country would be simply unable to fight in a major war.

                kagis

                Okay, here:

                EDIT: I have to admit that while I don't think I've ever looked up Japan specifically before, I am very surprised that Japan's percentage is lower than most other powers. I wonder if it had something to do with collapsing GDP due to destruction of the merchant fleet coupled with having to spend a fixed amount on the basic necessities, like food production, or something like that.

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                  A provision would exempt defence spending above 1 per cent of GDP from the debt brake rules, allowing Germany to boost spending on its armed forces by an unlimited amount at a time when Europe faces the prospect of losing US guarantees that have underpinned its security since Donald Trump began his second presidential term.

                  I mean, one can complain about the specifics, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some kind of mechanism to permit for higher defense spending, at least in time of conflict or impending conflict.

                  Let me go back and dig up spending as a percent of GDP for World War II, but it was way, way above 1% of GDP. Without some mechanism, a country would be simply unable to fight in a major war.

                  kagis

                  Okay, here:

                  EDIT: I have to admit that while I don't think I've ever looked up Japan specifically before, I am very surprised that Japan's percentage is lower than most other powers. I wonder if it had something to do with collapsing GDP due to destruction of the merchant fleet coupled with having to spend a fixed amount on the basic necessities, like food production, or something like that.

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                  The Main Problem is, that the CDU has no Incentive to di anything useful. They forced the last government to work with a reduced amount of money, which caused the government to collapse, but at the same time they want to get the cheers for investing into stuff. They dont want to kill the debt break so that they can excerpt pressure onto the coming governments if they aren't part of it.

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                    To put this into perspective...

                    The CDU sued the government over 60 billion debt that were already accounted for but should not be allowed for investments into infrastructure and green transformation of industry when it was originally planned for covid. Then they spend 3 years and the whole election campaign defending the debt brake as something fundamentally important while telling everyone that the former government just can't handle money.

                    And just days after the election they decide that the country really needs about ~1 trillion in new debts (500b on-time for investments, defense budgets being ignored and loosened debt rules for the states).

                    That's obstruction in it's purest form. They sabotaged the country for years just because there cannot be any solution when they aren't in power.

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                    Very well put.

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                    • ooops@feddit.orgO [email protected]

                      To put this into perspective...

                      The CDU sued the government over 60 billion debt that were already accounted for but should not be allowed for investments into infrastructure and green transformation of industry when it was originally planned for covid. Then they spend 3 years and the whole election campaign defending the debt brake as something fundamentally important while telling everyone that the former government just can't handle money.

                      And just days after the election they decide that the country really needs about ~1 trillion in new debts (500b on-time for investments, defense budgets being ignored and loosened debt rules for the states).

                      That's obstruction in it's purest form. They sabotaged the country for years just because there cannot be any solution when they aren't in power.

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                      Great summery, but I have one addition: The CDU tries to use a qualified majority that could have formed at any time before the election but will be gone after the new Bundestag constitutes. That also means that while they will likely lead the next government, right now they are still the opposition

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                        A provision would exempt defence spending above 1 per cent of GDP from the debt brake rules, allowing Germany to boost spending on its armed forces by an unlimited amount at a time when Europe faces the prospect of losing US guarantees that have underpinned its security since Donald Trump began his second presidential term.

                        I mean, one can complain about the specifics, but I'm pretty sure that there has to be some kind of mechanism to permit for higher defense spending, at least in time of conflict or impending conflict.

                        Let me go back and dig up spending as a percent of GDP for World War II, but it was way, way above 1% of GDP. Without some mechanism, a country would be simply unable to fight in a major war.

                        kagis

                        Okay, here:

                        EDIT: I have to admit that while I don't think I've ever looked up Japan specifically before, I am very surprised that Japan's percentage is lower than most other powers. I wonder if it had something to do with collapsing GDP due to destruction of the merchant fleet coupled with having to spend a fixed amount on the basic necessities, like food production, or something like that.

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                        People here don't complain about the military spending. People complain about the absolute dishonesty of Merz who campaigned on no new spending whatsoever. And everybody who watched a bit more closely than Merz' voters knew this was a complete lie. And there's a second bit, which is that CxU has a bit of a faible of lining their own pockets, and Merz lack of any morality whatsoever is promising to bring that out in full force.

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