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The world reacts to Trump's sweeping tariffs: 'No basis in logic'

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  • ? Guest

    Copyright and patent laws should just go away entirely.

    The amount of resources we spend enforcing them, just so we can spend more resources on the products themselves, could all be spent improving the lives of people who need it.

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    That's a great plan for letting those mega corps steal from the little guy EVEN more than they already do

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      I don't think this is a generational thing, personally, unless we're talking about the Boomers.

      The Boomers took a vibrant, beautiful world and spent two generations driving it into this McDonaldized hellhole we live in, after reaping the benefits of the most prosperous economic period for workers in our history in the 1960's. They're still profiting.

      The vast majority of the country only has one or two choices when shopping for necessities now, so I can't really blame them for the world that they were born into.

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      Calling young people consumerist is just blaming them for circumstances of which they had no real control.

      What? Have you heard the music they listen to? Gucci this, versace that. Have you seen the celebrities they look up to? Gold chains this, expensive tattoos that. Don't even get me started on the cars that cost more than my house.

      Just try suggesting to them that delivery apps are scams or that they can be getting most of their digital entertainment for free and see what reactions you get.

      No, they are proud consumers doing their part to keep the disparity in wealth growing.

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      • ? Guest

        Advertising should just be illegal.

        It gives an unfair advantage to those who already have an unfair advantage.

        I recommend installing an addon called AdNauseam to block ads in addition to sending data that you've clicked them.

        Please everyone. Try to understand that being a useful idiot is the norm these days. It's what's cool.

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        Nice mention of AdNauseam, here is a link:

        https://adnauseam.io/

        It's based on uBlock Origin, so still state of the art in ad-blocking.

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          Calling young people consumerist is just blaming them for circumstances of which they had no real control.

          What? Have you heard the music they listen to? Gucci this, versace that. Have you seen the celebrities they look up to? Gold chains this, expensive tattoos that. Don't even get me started on the cars that cost more than my house.

          Just try suggesting to them that delivery apps are scams or that they can be getting most of their digital entertainment for free and see what reactions you get.

          No, they are proud consumers doing their part to keep the disparity in wealth growing.

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          Your point of view sounds a whole lot like the 2500 year-old history of blaming young people.

          In reality, however, it's the Boomers who are largely responsible for the world we find ourselves in, not the 20 year-olds.

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            Calling young people consumerist is just blaming them for circumstances of which they had no real control.

            What? Have you heard the music they listen to? Gucci this, versace that. Have you seen the celebrities they look up to? Gold chains this, expensive tattoos that. Don't even get me started on the cars that cost more than my house.

            Just try suggesting to them that delivery apps are scams or that they can be getting most of their digital entertainment for free and see what reactions you get.

            No, they are proud consumers doing their part to keep the disparity in wealth growing.

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            lol you sound like such a boomer

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            • bytejunk@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

              It's heartbreaking, really.

              The UK is like a kid who just got his face covered in mud by bullies, and goes "aren't my friends wonderful for playing with me?".

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              Well see there is just the problem, TERF island needs more toxic masculinity so the men can be tough!

              /s

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              • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                Summary

                Global leaders criticized Trump’s new tariffs, which range from 10% to 49%, warning of trade wars and economic fallout.

                The UK and Italy urged negotiation, while Brazil passed a reciprocity bill. China and South Korea vowed countermeasures.

                Australia and New Zealand rejected Trump’s logic, citing existing trade deals and low tariffs. Norfolk Island was baffled by a 29% duty despite having no exports.

                Financial markets dropped, oil and bitcoin sank, and leaders warned of inflation. Analysts say Trump risks fracturing global trade with little to gain economically.

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                Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

                Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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                • 1984@lemmy.today1 [email protected]

                  Still it was too difficult for you to express your own opinions. Too scary?

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                  Arguing with you people is a waste of time.

                  I'm going to ignore you now.

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                    lol you sound like such a boomer

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                    Yeah. That's rhetoric people like you have been fed to justify your consumerism.

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                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                      Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

                      Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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                      You can't just flip a switch to have manufacturing moved to the United States overnight or even five years. Not to mention that even raw goods needed to even start the process that are being tarriffed like aluminum just doesn't come out of nowhere. This is a dumb sledgehammer approach that's going break more things than it fixes

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                        Your point of view sounds a whole lot like the 2500 year-old history of blaming young people.

                        In reality, however, it's the Boomers who are largely responsible for the world we find ourselves in, not the 20 year-olds.

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                        Yes, boomers are responsible for what they did when they were young.

                        We're responsible for what we do when we are young.

                        Like it or not, it's a lot easier to manipulate young people into spending their money than it is older people. This is directly related to the concept of consumerism and how the powers that b have convinced yet another generation to follow in their parent's footsteps of "those who have more deserve more, and those who have less deserve less."

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                          That's a great plan for letting those mega corps steal from the little guy EVEN more than they already do

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                          Not really.

                          Corporations aren't going to be making billions of dollars off of, say Photoshop, if copyright and patents laws didn't exist.

                          Same goes for hollywood movies.

                          You're peddling rhetoric that was put here by your oppressors so you will work against your own interests. Congratulations.

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                            I hope the EU reacts with something non-tariffy. Like forbidding US online platforms to serve ads and collect personal data, with severe punishments if they still do.

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                            or something ultra specific that is super easy to source from any other country, to exclusively hurt the american businesses

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                              Summary

                              Global leaders criticized Trump’s new tariffs, which range from 10% to 49%, warning of trade wars and economic fallout.

                              The UK and Italy urged negotiation, while Brazil passed a reciprocity bill. China and South Korea vowed countermeasures.

                              Australia and New Zealand rejected Trump’s logic, citing existing trade deals and low tariffs. Norfolk Island was baffled by a 29% duty despite having no exports.

                              Financial markets dropped, oil and bitcoin sank, and leaders warned of inflation. Analysts say Trump risks fracturing global trade with little to gain economically.

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                              I don't buy that Trump has anything to do with the logic behind this world-destabalizing shock and awe spectacle.

                              The conversation would be different if people stopped attributing authorship to him and acknowledged the massive decades-old machine using him as a mouthpiece.

                              But it sure makes people feel smart though. Gives them something to meme about while the people who planned this get the real dirt done. Maybe he'll misspell a country name next... Do another ad for Leon's dinkeys, Israeli beans or something. Stoopid Donald got poopy pance. lol.

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                                no tariffs on russia, only sanctions?

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                                Don't worry, they are working on removing those as well.

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  Why?

                                  Democrats and Republicans have spent the last eight years convincing the poor and middle class that voting doesn't matter. Hell, Democrats even subverted their own primary rules twice to strike that point home, and then argued in court that it was their right to do so when they were sued for it.

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                                  It is always someone else who is at fault for Trump except Trump himself, the Republicans, and people like you who didn't vote.

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                                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                    Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

                                    Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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                                    You need to have a plan in place before doing this to even think about bringing manufacturing back here. And tariffs need to be like the last part of the plan

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                                      I've been using it ever since i heard thats what the younger staffers in the Biden White House called him. I found it simultaneously hilarious, vicious, and accurate. I encourage you and others to use it often.

                                      Other suggestions:

                                      Kapo Stephen "PeeWee Himmler" Miller (my favorite)

                                      Steve "Unwiped Asshole" Bannon

                                      Empty G

                                      Lauren Boobert

                                      Big Boobie Bondi

                                      Couchfucker Vance (not very original, but a good reminder)

                                      Gold Digging Whore (the Propaganda
                                      Secretary, I can't be bothered to learn her name)

                                      Traitor also works for all of them. Nazi, too.

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                                      D-bag works well enough for my purposes

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                                        Well just to be fair - and i know people like shitting on Trump but hear me out - the complaints from workers against out-shoring labor to other countries has been very loud for many years.

                                        Everytime the newspaper reports "Company X has moved its factory to China" you can be sure that lots of people are gonna complain about it. But tariffs are the only thing that actually forces companies to put the factories back to the USA. Or do you have a better idea?

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                                        Maybe calculated tariffs on commodities where companies are contemplating outsourcing, but that's a step you take in advance in order to dissuade their action. This is like making the whole school sit with their heads down through recess because one specific kid was unruly.

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                                        • zaraki42@lemmy.caZ [email protected]

                                          True. Those freeloading penguins.

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                                          they have it hard enough already without tarrifs. wasn't it last year or the year before where an entire colony of emperor penguins had every single chick die that breeding season? that's extremely sad. but sure, hit 'em with tarrifs too, why not

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