'March to independence': Christine Lagarde wants EU to ditch Visa, Mastercard for own platform
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I mean technically, yes, the accounts that banks have with the ECB are exactly this Digital Euro thing: Digital central bank money, it's not like banks are storing banknotes in vaults nowadays. What's new is that not just banks will have access to that kind of account.
What I missed before, another thing that this enables is a way for the ECB to do helicopter money. Back during the financial crisis the ECB was battling deflation, lowering interest rates didn't help as banks were risk-averse and simply didn't want to lend any more Euros from the ECB, and one dead-simple and ludicrously effective way to battle deflation is by increasing the monetary supply by just giving everyone money. The digital Euro would provide infrastructure for that. Another interesting idea would be to pay out the seigniorage (money the ECB makes by collecting interest from the banks) directly to the people, currently it's (aside from financing the ECB itself) landing in the coffers of the central banks of the eurozone members, and from there in the general state budget. Wouldn't be much, like 3-10 Euros a year per Eurozone resident (probably should be citizen but don't make me look up that number), but at least it would nip certain conspiracy theories ("the state is indebting everyone with fiat money) in the bud.
But all of that is possible now. What exactly are we trying to change?
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But all of that is possible now. What exactly are we trying to change?
It's possible in principle now. But not actually. There's no button the ECB can press.
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This is a CBDC that she wants, something they have been talking about for years. Likely they want this because many European countries wont be able to survive higher interest rates caused by aging demographics, as the US high interest rates suck up global liquidity, which they cant afford due to debt load.
They will be able to slow inflation using the programmability of the money to prevent you from surpassing your allotted climate credits, as they are already forcing companies to measure their c02 usage in a system called the Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive (CSRD). They will also be able to increase inflation via issuing expiring stimulus, which would allow them to do what they do now without worrying about the 18 month lag for interest rates to kick in.
What Europe also wanted was a global climate change system, where they collected revenue from carbon credits, which would be charged to foreign emitters. Trump recently front run this with his own tariff system.
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California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii would also like to request EU status and new non facist payment methods
You forgot New Jersey.
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Innovation and blockchain do not go in one sentence. Blockchain is a near dead technology. It has its use cases but if you want a fast moving money transactions option, you should look into UPI by India.
Oh, they can go in one sentence, if done right.
Nano offers fast transactions on a decentralized network while using very little energy.
Strictly speaking it's not just one blockchain, but one per account, which only the account owner can update (add blocks to it).
This asynchronous design is what makes Nano so fast, because there's no need to wait for others when updating one's own blockchain.
What it doesn't have (yet?) is a sufficiently large network effect, which it may never acquire.
But it is one example of an attempt at making digital money based on blockchain technology, which is not just a copycat, scam, rugpull or other malicious nonsense.
Monero comes to mind as well and maybe a handful others.
Sadly almost all around blockchain is not just not innovative, but outright evil. -
Humm, this will probably mean that the EU will need to look into if we need to setup a European mainframe manufacturer.
I am talking AS400/iSeries type stuff.
MasterCard and VISA process a huge number of transactions per second, and there can't be any risk of loosing a transaction in progress, so you need an extremely stable central processing node with very high redundancy.
At the moment I believe that only IBM and Fujistu makes mainframes these days, IBM is American which has now shown to not be an ideal long term trading partner, Fujistu is Japanese, with a strong presence in Europe, but they made the UK Post Office computer system, which makes me want to stay, far, far, far away from them.
Either one, whoever we pick will make it easy to get the system going, but to migrate away will be a nightmare.
I wonder if we could build something on open hardware like Risc-V, this make me wonder is Risc-V would even be suitable for this application
Lmao someone would be very incompetent to actually propose the idea to create a mainframe system to do this
It would be so stupid , it would be ancient slow and hard to maintain
Everything this century that's new is cloud, distributed, HA, real time, event driven, and fast low latency
Mainframe only has some of those features, plus really ancient legacy and other stuff that makes it not perform as well in certain areas
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For normal tasks, absolutely, and if we can do it without a mainframe while maintaining the stability and redundancy of a mainframe system, then we should look into alternatives.
However, mainframes have been in continous development since they were created, there are absolutely tasks they still do better these days.
I think this is just old style thinking
Cloud and modern technologies are far superior
There is a reason why the fastest most demanding data centers so NOT use any of that old technology
Also, "continuous development since they were created" is pretty much nonsense
It's technology, it's all always been in continuous development
Mainframe and other technologies have stagnated for the last several decades
It's all proprietary so it's less efficient, less innovative, less secure, too
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I can already send money instantly, for free, through SEPA without a singular private company earning a cut or tracking me.
A bank account is needed, but there are thousands to choose from, and in the EU by law they cannot refuse to open a basic account for a private EU citizen.
Why should we use Wero/Revolut/Venmo/whatever instead? Intercompatibility within just one network means another network effect, that does not look like a long term solution to me. Just like Telegram, though very convenient to use with a nice UI, is no solution to Whatsapp.
Wero seems to be solving the problem of copy-pasting our IBAN. What if any bank app would just recognise a standardised QR code with that data? Who would then subscribe to Wero with a phone number and email and risk getting scammed or blocked for any random reason?
SEPA is not instant. It's still one day as standard.
You can't use SEPA to pay in the grocery store, because the cash register has no way to confirm your payment until tomorrow.
That's the thing cards and various apps like WERO solve currently.Most of these apps are tied to a traditional card, but some are tied directly to the bank account and some can do both.
Anyway, the independence from American software is still far away, since most people will be using Android or iOS to use those apps..
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I think this is just old style thinking
Cloud and modern technologies are far superior
There is a reason why the fastest most demanding data centers so NOT use any of that old technology
Also, "continuous development since they were created" is pretty much nonsense
It's technology, it's all always been in continuous development
Mainframe and other technologies have stagnated for the last several decades
It's all proprietary so it's less efficient, less innovative, less secure, too
Oh no, not the fucking cloud.
Didn't we just talk about taking the data back?
Let's run our own servers and not a needless third party...
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Lmao someone would be very incompetent to actually propose the idea to create a mainframe system to do this
It would be so stupid , it would be ancient slow and hard to maintain
Everything this century that's new is cloud, distributed, HA, real time, event driven, and fast low latency
Mainframe only has some of those features, plus really ancient legacy and other stuff that makes it not perform as well in certain areas
What?
Mainframes are not slow?
You do know that VISA handles a their transactions on mainframes?
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Does using Google wallet give any fee to Google?
No but I stopped using apple/Google pay to stop giving them data. It's a choose your poison though they stop the stores from collecting data as your card keeps changing.
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I hate that there is not much societal change going on other then moving business around and rebranding.
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Aren't EU technically a Social Democracy ?
I wish.
You should look up "Parliament of the European Union" for more information, if you're actually interested. Currently the EVP (conservative party) is the largest, and overall there is a majority of centre-right to extremist right parties. The current President of the EU Comission (basically EU government) is Ursula von der Leyen, a member of the EVP.
It's been a long time since the EU was lead by social democrats, and even then, they were in a coalition with conservatives.
So no, the EU is neither technically nor actually a social democracy
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Finally!
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If you wonder why all the bureaucrats suddenly turned anti-globalist (while 20 years ago it wasn't so), that's because they saw how powerful a domestic centralized system makes their kind.
And 20 years ago it wasn't so, because they really had to kill all sprouts of such domestic systems.
It's the old Chinese\Roman\whatever game, where bureaucrats and troops were, for different events, moved further from their home provinces and old assignments or closer. Only what's happening is the opposite of the best course of action in that game, we have a weak emperor, no emperor in fact.
So - 20 years ago choosing American companies made European bureaucrats more powerful. Now they are powerful enough to prefer domestic suppliers of all these services, now they can control those new suppliers and become even more powerful.
The world is always in change.
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What I imagine that to contain:
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USA! USA! USA!
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Communism bad!
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See 1 and 2
Except if you’ve done any privacy work you’d know that GDPR and CCPA are accounted for simultaneously in almost every case, so they end up being equivalent in reality.
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Aren't EU technically a Social Democracy ?
The EU is a bureaucratic organization with some purely symbolic democratic rituals. Governments (not citizens) of member countries really affecting it are supposed to be democratic, but at this point they are just OK, mostly. Nothing good to compare with.
Anyway - all these names are as meaningless as flags. Every decision made defines a system. You might call something a social democracy, but through 1, 2, 3 decisions overnight it's suddenly something different, if there was a critical point.
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