The new 3B "fully open source" model from AMD
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This is again a big win on the red team at least for me.
They developed a "fully open" 3B parameters model family trained from scratch on AMD Instinct
MI300X GPUs.AMD is excited to announce Instella, a family of fully open state-of-the-art 3-billion-parameter language models (LMs) [...]. Instella models outperform existing fully open models of similar sizes and achieve competitive performance compared to state-of-the-art open-weight models such as Llama-3.2-3B, Gemma-2-2B, and Qwen-2.5-3B [...].
As shown in this image (https://rocm.blogs.amd.com/_images/scaling_perf_instruct.png) this model outperforms current other "fully open" models, coming next to open weight only models.
A step further, thank you AMD.
PS : not doing AMD propaganda but thanks them to help and contribute to the Open Source World.
It's about AI.
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This is again a big win on the red team at least for me.
They developed a "fully open" 3B parameters model family trained from scratch on AMD Instinct MI300X GPUs.AMD is excited to announce Instella, a family of fully open state-of-the-art 3-billion-parameter language models (LMs) [...]. Instella models outperform existing fully open models of similar sizes and achieve competitive performance compared to state-of-the-art open-weight models such as Llama-3.2-3B, Gemma-2-2B, and Qwen-2.5-3B [...].
As shown in this image (https://rocm.blogs.amd.com/_images/scaling_perf_instruct.png) this model outperforms current other "fully open" models, coming next to open weight only models.
A step further, thank you AMD.
PS : not doing AMD propaganda but thanks them to help and contribute to the Open Source World.
I don't know why open sourcing malicious software is worthy of praise but okay.
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I don't know why open sourcing malicious software is worthy of praise but okay.
I'll bite, what is malicious about this?
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I'll bite, what is malicious about this?
What's malicious about AI and LLMs? Have you been living under a rock?
At best it is useless, and at worst it is detrimental to society.
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What's malicious about AI and LLMs? Have you been living under a rock?
At best it is useless, and at worst it is detrimental to society.
I disagree, LLMs have been very helpful for me and I do not see how an open source AI model trained with open source datasets is detrimental to society.
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Every AI model outperforms every other model in the same weight class when you cherry pick the metrics... Although it's always good to have more to choose from
I've shared this AI because it's one of the best fully open source AI
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What's malicious about AI and LLMs? Have you been living under a rock?
At best it is useless, and at worst it is detrimental to society.
So in a nutshell, it's malicious because you said so
Ok gotcha Mr/Ms/Mrs TechnoBigot
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This is again a big win on the red team at least for me.
They developed a "fully open" 3B parameters model family trained from scratch on AMD Instinct MI300X GPUs.AMD is excited to announce Instella, a family of fully open state-of-the-art 3-billion-parameter language models (LMs) [...]. Instella models outperform existing fully open models of similar sizes and achieve competitive performance compared to state-of-the-art open-weight models such as Llama-3.2-3B, Gemma-2-2B, and Qwen-2.5-3B [...].
As shown in this image (https://rocm.blogs.amd.com/_images/scaling_perf_instruct.png) this model outperforms current other "fully open" models, coming next to open weight only models.
A step further, thank you AMD.
PS : not doing AMD propaganda but thanks them to help and contribute to the Open Source World.
I'll be bookmarking the website & thank you
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I disagree, LLMs have been very helpful for me and I do not see how an open source AI model trained with open source datasets is detrimental to society.
I don't know what to say other than pull your head outta the sand.
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So in a nutshell, it's malicious because you said so
Ok gotcha Mr/Ms/Mrs TechnoBigot
Yes, that's totally what I said.
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I don't know what to say other than pull your head outta the sand.
No you.
Explain your exact reasons for thinking it's malicious. There's a lot of FUD surrounding "AI," a lot of which come from unrealistic marketing BS and poor choices by C-suite types that have nothing to do with the technology itself. If you can describe your concerns, maybe I or others can help clarify things.
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No you.
Explain your exact reasons for thinking it's malicious. There's a lot of FUD surrounding "AI," a lot of which come from unrealistic marketing BS and poor choices by C-suite types that have nothing to do with the technology itself. If you can describe your concerns, maybe I or others can help clarify things.
These models are trained on human creations with the express intent to drive out those same human creators. There is no social safety net available so those creators can maintain a reasonable living standard without selling their art. It won't even work--the models aren't good enough to replace these jobs, but they're good enough to fool the C-suite into thinking they can--but they'll do lots of damage in the attempt.
The issues are primarily social, not technical. In a society that judges itself on how well it takes care of the needs of everyone, I would have far less of an issue with it.
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Help me understand how this is Open Source? Perhaps I'm missing something, but this is Source Available.
The source code on these models is almost too boring to care about. Training data and weights is what really matters.
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Yes, that's totally what I said.
Something we all agree on
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These models are trained on human creations with the express intent to drive out those same human creators. There is no social safety net available so those creators can maintain a reasonable living standard without selling their art. It won't even work--the models aren't good enough to replace these jobs, but they're good enough to fool the C-suite into thinking they can--but they'll do lots of damage in the attempt.
The issues are primarily social, not technical. In a society that judges itself on how well it takes care of the needs of everyone, I would have far less of an issue with it.
The issues are primarily social, not technical.
Right, and having a FOSS alternative is certainly a good thing.
I think it's important to separate opposition to AI policy from a specific implementation. If your concerns are related to the social impact of a given technology, that is where the opposition should go, not toward the technology itself.
That said, this is largely similar to opposition to other types of technological change. Every time a significant change in technology comes about, there is a significant impact to jobs. The printing press destroyed the livelihood of scribes, but it made books dramatically cheaper, which created new jobs for typesetters, booksellers, etc. The automobile dramatically cut back jobs like farriers, stable hands, etc, but created new jobs for drivers, mechanics, etc. I'm sure each of those large shifts in technology also had an overreaction by business owners as they adjusted to the new normal. It certainly sucks for those impacted, but it tends to benefit those who can quickly adapt and make use of the new technology.
So I totally understand the hesitation around AI, especially given the overreaction by C-suites in gutting their workforce based on the promises made by AI marketing teams. However, that has nothing to do with the technology, but the social issues around the technology. Instead of hating AI in general, redirect that anger onto the actual problems:
- poor social safety net
- expensive education
- lack of consequences for false marketing
- lack of consequences for C-suite mistakes
Hating on a FOSS model just because it's related to an industry that is seeing abuse is the wrong approach.
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The issues are primarily social, not technical.
Right, and having a FOSS alternative is certainly a good thing.
I think it's important to separate opposition to AI policy from a specific implementation. If your concerns are related to the social impact of a given technology, that is where the opposition should go, not toward the technology itself.
That said, this is largely similar to opposition to other types of technological change. Every time a significant change in technology comes about, there is a significant impact to jobs. The printing press destroyed the livelihood of scribes, but it made books dramatically cheaper, which created new jobs for typesetters, booksellers, etc. The automobile dramatically cut back jobs like farriers, stable hands, etc, but created new jobs for drivers, mechanics, etc. I'm sure each of those large shifts in technology also had an overreaction by business owners as they adjusted to the new normal. It certainly sucks for those impacted, but it tends to benefit those who can quickly adapt and make use of the new technology.
So I totally understand the hesitation around AI, especially given the overreaction by C-suites in gutting their workforce based on the promises made by AI marketing teams. However, that has nothing to do with the technology, but the social issues around the technology. Instead of hating AI in general, redirect that anger onto the actual problems:
- poor social safety net
- expensive education
- lack of consequences for false marketing
- lack of consequences for C-suite mistakes
Hating on a FOSS model just because it's related to an industry that is seeing abuse is the wrong approach.
Was there anything in the posts above mine that suggest this was a technical issue, or did you read that in as an assumption?
Every time a significant change in technology comes about, there is a significant impact to jobs. The printing press destroyed the livelihood of scribes, but it made books dramatically cheaper, which created new jobs for typesetters, booksellers, etc.
Take a look at the history of the first people called "Luddites". They were early socialists focusing on the dismal working conditions that new automation would bring to the workers. And they were correct.
Not every technological change is good. Our society has defaulted to saying yes to every change, and it's caused a whole lot of problems.
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Was there anything in the posts above mine that suggest this was a technical issue, or did you read that in as an assumption?
Every time a significant change in technology comes about, there is a significant impact to jobs. The printing press destroyed the livelihood of scribes, but it made books dramatically cheaper, which created new jobs for typesetters, booksellers, etc.
Take a look at the history of the first people called "Luddites". They were early socialists focusing on the dismal working conditions that new automation would bring to the workers. And they were correct.
Not every technological change is good. Our society has defaulted to saying yes to every change, and it's caused a whole lot of problems.
Was there anything in the posts above mine that suggest this was a technical issue, or did you read that in as an assumption?
I was responding both to you and to the parent to your comment and making it clear that it's not a technical issue. I'm agreeing with you.
And they were correct.
I disagree.
Yes, not every technological change is good, we can look at Social Media as a shining example of that. However, technological change is usually inevitable, especially if you value freedom in your society, so it's a lot better to solve the issues that surround it than ban it.
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Was there anything in the posts above mine that suggest this was a technical issue, or did you read that in as an assumption?
I was responding both to you and to the parent to your comment and making it clear that it's not a technical issue. I'm agreeing with you.
And they were correct.
I disagree.
Yes, not every technological change is good, we can look at Social Media as a shining example of that. However, technological change is usually inevitable, especially if you value freedom in your society, so it's a lot better to solve the issues that surround it than ban it.
There is absolutely nothing inevitable about technological change. We think that way because of the specific place we are in history. A specific place that is an aberration in how fast those changes have come. For the most part, humans throughout history have used much the same techniques and tools that their parents did.
You also can't separate AI technology from the social change. They're not dumping billions into data centers and talking about using entire nuclear reactors to power them just because they think AI is a fun toy.
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This is again a big win on the red team at least for me.
They developed a "fully open" 3B parameters model family trained from scratch on AMD Instinct MI300X GPUs.AMD is excited to announce Instella, a family of fully open state-of-the-art 3-billion-parameter language models (LMs) [...]. Instella models outperform existing fully open models of similar sizes and achieve competitive performance compared to state-of-the-art open-weight models such as Llama-3.2-3B, Gemma-2-2B, and Qwen-2.5-3B [...].
As shown in this image (https://rocm.blogs.amd.com/_images/scaling_perf_instruct.png) this model outperforms current other "fully open" models, coming next to open weight only models.
A step further, thank you AMD.
PS : not doing AMD propaganda but thanks them to help and contribute to the Open Source World.
OpenCL not mentioned, and so raw hardware level code most likely. Maybe no one else cares, but higher level code means more portability.
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OpenCL not mentioned, and so raw hardware level code most likely. Maybe no one else cares, but higher level code means more portability.
What is the link with rocm?
