Respect fire guy
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wrote last edited by [email protected]You all laugh until the fire is in the oven of a hut with freezing temperatures outside and the fire guy is the one getting up in the middle of the night to keep the fire going. You then wake up to a cozy hut instead of spending the first two hours awake freezing in your sleeping bags.
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I absolutely adore keeping the fire going. I was a white man for decades so i'm not dodging the allegations. I have never been camping where i was not the last person awake and always keeping the fire just right until all the wood was gone.
It's all about the air flow. Too much and everything burns too quickly in a roaring furnace, too little and you have no light and not enough heat. By constantly adjusting the logs you can maintain the proper air flow to keep everything just right. Rotating a log to present fresh wood to an eager flame here. Squeezing two logs a little closer to reduce the oxygen and trim things up there. A proper fire adjusting stick (and a backup) is crucial.
Give me a stack of seasoned wood, a k-bar, a magnesium fire starter and a comfy camp chair and i'm in heaven from the time the sun sets until the wood runs out.
Solidarity from another former white guy and campfire enthusiast.
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It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.
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It's me, i'm that guy. I'm fun to camp with ladies
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Yeah, like why does race need to be involved here? Fire should be for everyone to enjoy.
It's a joke.
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Yeah, like why does race need to be involved here? Fire should be for everyone to enjoy.
Outdoor recreation and camping was and still sort of is exclusionary to black folks especially, but there's a lot of people trying to change that
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It's a joke.
I see that. But where lies the joke exactly? My interpretation is that this white dude barely knows what he's doing, like constantly moving the wood. To me is more like set it up, and watch it burn. Then, from time to time, you add another log.
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You all laugh until the fire is in the oven of a hut with freezing temperatures outside and the fire guy is the one getting up in the middle of the night to keep the fire going. You then wake up to a cozy hut instead of spending the first two hours awake freezing in your sleeping bags.
you mean recruit. we recruit.
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It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.
'I was kind of saving that stick'
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Outdoor recreation and camping was and still sort of is exclusionary to black folks especially, but there's a lot of people trying to change that
I live in the UK so I don't think this really applies here. If you are not going out and touching grass, its on you. Not the colour of your skin.
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'I was kind of saving that stick'
'Dude, you're choking it'
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I live in the UK so I don't think this really applies here. If you are not going out and touching grass, its on you. Not the colour of your skin.
Yes I think there are some differences between racism in the UK and the US
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Yes I think there are some differences between racism in the UK and the US
I am curious now, how does race stop someone touching grass in the US?
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I am curious now, how does race stop someone touching grass in the US?
It doesn't, but it does result in comments like yours. I'm not interested in responding further to you.
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I didn't know it was a racial trait.
White people's ancestors had to survive brutal winters. It's the reason they're white.
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It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.
Lol, depends on the group. I was recently at an sca event and had a fire going with another tender, and we worked great keeping the fire stoked and we're super chill about it. We even helped each other reset the stack as it collapsed and more fuel was added.
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I see that. But where lies the joke exactly? My interpretation is that this white dude barely knows what he's doing, like constantly moving the wood. To me is more like set it up, and watch it burn. Then, from time to time, you add another log.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean, there's no way of knowing with any certainty from this image alone whether or not the guy is tending the fire competently...
But it is actually not as simple as 'just throw on another log'.
How long do you want the fire to burn?
How hot do you want the fire to burn?
Do you have an accelerant, or no?
Is your timber and kindling very dry or very wet?
Is your timber and kindling going to need to burn through bark or not?
How sappy is your timber and kindling?
How hot or cold or windy is it, is it expected to become?
All these things and more can and do affect the initial layout of the campfire, how to adjust it and maintain it to keep it going at the rate and intensity you want it to, especially if the desired goal state of the fire changes, and/or environmental conditions change or are expected to change significantly.
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Anyway, the 'joke' could be more or less racially based.
I'd say yeah, you probably are more likely to find a random white guy that uh... knows all the stuff I just previously said, but thats because a random white guy (in the US, at least) is more likely to have come from a family that could afford camping trips, could send their kids to the scouts or something.
(This is basically the same root behind the 'black people don't know how to swim' uh, 'joke'.)
(Yep, turns out you're more likely to learn how to swim if your parents could afford to / were not segregated out of living in a community with access to pools or beaches)
Again though, there's no real way from the given context to determine... whether or not the image was made by someone aware of this, and is referencing that...
... or if they're just making a very basic, pithy, uninformed, surface level observation...
or somewhere in between this.
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There could also be an element of sexism to the 'joke', if you interperet 'and I respect that' as completely sarcastic, sort of going along with your interpretation.
'Oh, clearly this dude doesn't know what he's doing, he's just trying to look like he knows what he's doing.'
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So yeah, if your 'joke' is possibly racist, possibly sexist, unclear about whether or not it actually is, and generally illicits confusion when it is described or explained as a joke...
Then uh, I agree with you, its not a very good joke.
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Also, to perhaps clarify younger / more modern slang:
'really fucks with', to maybe a millenial or older, would mean that you keep consistently interfering with or engaging with some person or process or activity.
But! To Gen Z / A, 'really fucks with' is closer to... 'spends their time' or 'engages at all' or even 'is seriously dedicated to'.
Like if I asked a Gen A if they knew person A, they could respond, 'No, I don't really fuck with person A'.
And that would basically mean that they don't know them that well, or at all.
Whereas if a millenial or older person said 'I don't really fuck with person A'... that would be more like a denial of bullying or harassing them.
The Gen Z/A usage of 'fucks with' is much more morally/intent neutral, wheras the Millenial/Older usage is more morally/intent negative.
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I am curious now, how does race stop someone touching grass in the US?
Intersectionly.
The US has extremely shit PT, with black Americans often living in already under-serviced communities, and with less disposable income and social services to support them to travel off to touch some grass.
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wrote last edited by [email protected]I don't know why, I just have to keep poking that fucker with the dedicated poking stick, then wave the burning poking stick around for a bit.
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It's all good until you experience a fire where there's two of them.
If there isn't another I will become that person just to fuck with them.
